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[–]madcow-5 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

The issue is those people don't think. Whatever the TV tells them is what they believe, and they cannot fathom otherwise. Hence "Trust the science", they can only appeal to authority for their beliefs. If you were a liberal (real liberal values) in the early 2000's, this is everything you shat on Evangelical Christians for as they said Pokemon and Harry Potter were heresy and evolution wasn't real. The same psychological phenomenon is still present, but instead it's left wingers taking late night TV hosts and anyone wearing a suit or a lab coat on MSM as the word of god.

[–]AnarchySpeach 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Liberals nowadays only trust the science they are explicitly told to trust.

For a fun time try to explain what the "Scientific Method" is to a person who says they only believe in science.

It's like talking to somebody who claims to be Christian, but has never opened a bible.

At first I thought their version of "science" was like their weird religion (because it sure as hell wasn't the science I was taught in school twenty years ago.) It's less of a faith to these people and more of "Please. I just want to fit in. I'm good. See? I do what I'm told. I'm a good sheep. Why are you being mean to me with these questions? What the heck did I ever do to you?!"

The more facts you provide to contradict them the angrier they get. It's nearly impossible to talk to these people because they don't even believe in what they're saying.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Scientism:

A blind faith dogma in the benevolence of "experts" and corporations making obscene profits from their allegedly safe but very secret and privatized so-called "science".

Authentic science is a transparent discovery and open verification process (not settled) of elimination based on a hypothesis. Since many factors may corrupt this process it must be openly verifiable to eliminate junk science from legitimate results.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (22 children)

ping /u/socks

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Socks no like

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

Facts are facts. Dems and GOP are BOTH mass murderers.

And with this lockdown and looming food crises, millions more will die over the next decade for their Agenda 2030, ON PURPOSE. It's never too late to wake the flock up.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Fine, but do it with facts.

nikoCSFB is a fake account on several platforms that has one focus: make blacks think that "Biden hated Black People". See for example the non-existant Twitter account:

https://files.catbox.moe/pxlujh.jpg

It's potentially a Chinese or alt-right PsyOp, given how much they hate Biden.

His press conference today was very informative of his very thoughtful and informed approaches. His response to the question about what to do with the kids from across the border was brilliant.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

Give me a fucking break. I don't give a shit who said it. I don't give a shit about identity politics. It's all bullshit.

"Two plus two equals four." ~ Adolph Hitler

Now you're going to tell me that's invalid because of the source? I repeat: Give me a fucking break.

Biden and Trump and all government mafias and large corporations WITHOUT EXCEPTION deserve the hate they get. Yet you buy into their bullshit political theater like a child waiting for a Christmas Eve that will never come, or more likely...

You are a shill finding ANY excuse to pretend that you are an idiot supporting the murderous establishment.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

It was nothing personal

nikoCSFB accounts are - genuinely - shill accounts to get people to hate Biden

I liked Biden's response (I don't agree with everything in the administration, and especially not with military activities)

And the more I see you and Tom calling me a shill, the more I think that you and Tom should examine your own shill activities. By contrast, I have no agenda.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Find them in support of a single modern politician or modern nation. You won't be able to do it very easily. You shill constantly for Biden and the scamdemic. What do they shill for?

You'd say conspiracy theories, but, as I've said (you just ignore it) many of us have seen the players involved walk from one aisle to the next, shaking hands all the way. Russians don't have complete freedom in the world. Chinese folks don't own and operate the major financial institutions of the world. It's not Muslims in Iran who spread tranny philosophy, nor are there Syrians forcing clean businesses across the world to shut down. We have gone out into the world and have seen the real players manipulate the others, who you seem to think we are peddling lies for. Jason and Tom are not rabid conspiracy theorists. If they were, they'd be peddling the low-level QAnon BS at you, or they'd mention lizard people. If they were shills, they'd be like the conspiracy shills on reddit, constantly saying: "Where are all the fun conspiracies? Why don't we talk about aliens and sasquatches? Why does it always have to be political?"

Those are conspiracy shills. Or, they peddle Alex Jones level conspiracy shit. Jason and Tom do not do that. They were probably like me. At one point in their lives, I am sure they used their passions and natural talents to shill for the established powers (albeit, their personal flavor of it) then wisened up to stop harping for others. (sorry boys, if I assume)

I really wish you'd make a separate post sometime about all this and just really ask the pertinent questions. People might leave you alone, or, you might finally recognize that if we are right in even the smallest of ways, then your whole worldview will need changing.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the insightful rebuttal. I don't have time beyond calling him out to school him.

You are correct. I used to animate high end TV commercials in the 90s and 00s.

Why don't we talk about aliens and sasquatches?

Ironically yesterday I posted this: /s/TheUnionOfTheUnwanted/comments/7mo3/union_of_the_unwanted_22_cryptozoology_20104_the/

Their last 2 shows were woo shit, including this one. I didn't even know what "cryptozoology" was. I used to give all the stupid conspiracies a chance, just to see if there was any merit there. I don't much anymore, but I listened to this one hoping for something good, perhaps unrelated side discussions. It just confirmed how stupid that stuff is - and it disappoints me that their once good channel is now perpetuating conspiritualist and conspiretard nonsense.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I appreciate this thoughtful response.

If I may select a couple initial issues: if I have anything nice to say about Biden (which I rarely share on Saidit), that doesn't make me a shill

In fact, referring to someone you don't agree with as a shill kills the potential for conversation, as it's just an attack without merit. It's a signal that the person calling someone a shill lacks credibility. This is known by many at Saidit, but the attacks continue. Remember the pyramid od debate?

Just because the QAnon and Alex Jones arguments aren't used much on Saidit (that I know of), doesn't mean that the users are therefore enlightened centrists or center-right of the QAnon or Alex Jones freaks. I wouldn't have much to discuss with those folks, and it's perhaps because there aren't many at Saidit that I am still here. I can find them if I want to, but would rather not.

Regarding those who want to call me names, I sometimes get this from Jason, but we also discuss substantial topics. So I try to overlook the name-calling as best I can. I'm mainly curious about the approaches here on Saidit, if that's not obvious. I tend not to engage with most of the right-wing posts, and I certainly don't have an agenda. Regarding others who respond to me with little more than name-calling, some of them are anti-vax consipracy promoters, and I try not to bother them. I also accidentally angered some of the new anti-trans/intersex users recently, merely by stating that intersex people should have the same rights as the rest of us. I'll also try to avoid those conversations in the future. That said - even some of these people are more sensible than what I've seen on Saidit, where there appears to be a much angrier group that are convinced that every intersex person is a pedophile. How they make that leap in judgement is beyond my comprehension, but I have tried to understand this nontheless (even if I don't agree).

Regarding making a separate post, I am not sure what you refer to. I have made posts on Saidit. See s/Tits, one of my favorite subs.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is not an attack. You take it to be an attack for reasons you don't want to hear, because you'd call those reasons an "attack". I was called a shill when I was in your camp, and I didn't cry or whine. I recognized what the person was trying to say, and I acted accordingly. I had been harping for others, not for myself. I had been following others, not myself. You can say that calling someone a shill lowers their credibility, but I would say that calling someone a shill brings to light an important conversation: the origin of their views. If the origin of your views comes from debased evil, then you shill. You do not need to be paid to be a shill. You know how Muslims get online and rabidly defend their "religion of peace" and how Christian Zionists will go online and rabidly talk about their "turning the other cheek" even though these two groups lie and obfuscate just so they can push that narrative? Yeah, those are shills. You do the same thing.

You know what I mean by "separate post". I've suggested it to you many times. Ask people for all of their sources, and look into it. Ask questions pertaining to these conspiracies you have so many qualms with. Pretending to not know what I mean is obfuscating the point, which is lame on your part. It is shill behavior.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the info. I still don't deserve to be called a shill, or also the same kind of shill as - say a - Christian Zionist. It's bizarre to me that I am considered a shill when I am merely mentioning what the majority of people believe. Thus I don't have a minority agenda of any kind, but to argue against opinions of the minority (eg. anti-vax &c) results in my being the shill. Well then, does this meant that - for example - I LOVE Big Pharma and want to defend them? Nothing could be further from the truth. I think most people are skeptical of Big Pharma but are not skeptical of the regulations in place to make sure that Big Pharma doesn't poison us (though some are indeed skeptical of those regulations). What's really bizarre is that Republicans since Reagan and Libertarians have tried to remove regulations of all kinds, and with the Reagan Admin, Big Pharma actually helped write the bills that addressed the regulations. Thus Big Pharma became somewhat self-regulatory (!), which has helped develop an opioid crisis that has led to other problems. Regulation of the COVID19 vaccine is different, however, because the tests, regulations and trials are international, and have to meet international standards. If the vaccine will make your dick fall off, there is no evidence of this, after 100s of millions of doses have been injected, but we'll have to see, won't we.

Regarding the separate post - no, I don't know what you refer to . Are you saying that I should:

1) Submit a link or text post to a sub and start a discussion in that manner? If so, I've tried to do this.

2) Respond to someone's submission without following the discussion (responding to a response) and instead starting my own response to that submission? I've done this.

[–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

By contrast, I have no agenda.

100% bullshit.

Everyone has an agenda.

Tom and I and others here share an agenda, to expose power, manipulation, deception, corruption, exploitation, extermination - and shills like you that support the ruling class and their rigged systems.

Paid or not, you're determined to be their shill finding ANY excuse to pretend that you are an idiot supporting the murderous establishment. And to TIMESUCK. THAT is your agenda.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    So... you're arguing against James?

    But you repeat 2 + 2 = 4 ?

    What's the point? (ie. why do you and James want to show off your skills with arithmetic, and what's up with the constant shill nonsense?)

    [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Debate this:

    The same politicians who drop bombs on thousands of people (mostly brown people) every day actually care about a few people being killed in a mass murder?

    When we say the ruling class and their corporate media are psychopaths - we mean it.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    They are saying that just because this guy isn't likable or trustworthy to you doesn't mean that what he is saying is wrong. First off, have you seen this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We6Qr9-dDn8 (please ignore the narrator, I couldn't find the original) Edit: It is obvious that Biden doesn't care for black people, and that the war-mongering attitude of career politicians is damning. Not just problematic, but cause to fire them.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Thanks for this. I hadn't seen it.

    As I look at the 'HipHollywood' material I see that their main focus is: drama, at any cost. The person asking for a black running mate seems entitled, telling Biden that he owes Blacks for their votes. This frequent attitude that whites, or Biden, owes blacks is really annoying. Moreover, Biden chose a black running mate. Regarding Biden's comment that any supporter of Trump really isn't black is a common notion among blacks, Democrats and others. 'HipHollywood' spun this as Democrats thinking they own blacks, which is ridiculous. Blacks who've supported Trump are exceptionally strange, given the extent to which Trump and his followers have developed, supported and formed a massive white supremacy following in the past 4 years, a dramatic increase compared with the past century.

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      WTF: Your response to my response to Jason's 'ad hominem' is more 'ad hominem' and when asked about arithmetic, you reply with more 'ad hominem'? 0 credibility here

      I responded to the nikoCSFB lies, arithmetic nonsense, Biden &c and all you can think of is 'ad hominem'?

      Bring someting to the table, or don't

      [–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

      mmm. D-

      Technically right but missing all the correct reasoning.

      [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

      How so?

      D-?

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        [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        The big D?

        [–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        Diarrhea?

        [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Dick. (Not Nixion.)

        [–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Not everyone lives on the internet. Calm your tits if 17 hours ago is too long on a message board.

        [–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Thousands of people every day? Citation required on that hyperbole. But anyways, yes leftists don't care about a muslim murdering white people in Colorado. Don't focus on the name, don't focus on the open boarders that let them in, just take away other's rights to defend themselves. Obviously R's want to not let them in, let everyone defend themselves, and stop kick out the cancer. But it's clownworld now and getting enough hardcore R's in power to do that is gonna be impossible.

        But none of them are psychopaths. Well, Ted Kennedy was because he showed zero remorse for Chappaquidduk (sp) but he's burning in Hell now. I suppose Bernie Frank and his pedophile ring boyfriend are still alive, but they are also out of power. Anyways, if they were, we'd do things like mass-murder/disperse and entire country for killing our citizens and be willing to do it again as a deterrent. But we're not. We're weak and they know this weakness will invite even more suffering (for us), which is why they are doing it. #MaternityFlightSuits

        [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        https://duckduckgo.com/?q=How+many+people+live+in+a+city

        If you don't get immediately killed, do you still count?

        If it takes weeks for you to die, do you still count?

        If you are permanently disabled, do you still count?

        If you are lightly wounded, do you still count?

        If your water, sanitation, and electricity are gone, do you still count?

        If you are made homeless, do you still count?

        If your life and livelihood is ruined, do you still count?

        If your regular life is impacted or upset in any way, do you still count?

        If your friends and family are impacted, do you still count?

        War is about more than just death counts. It's about disrupting a civilization.

        Fuck the Left-Right tribal bullshit and whataboutism. The OP is not about Colorado.

        The Left and Right wings work for the same War Hawk Business® .

        The pedophocracy is ALL sides, Left and Right and global.
        https://infogalactic.com/info/Pedophocracy
        https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_acknowledged_pedophilia_elites
        https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_alleged_pedophilia_elites

        To my knowledge Chappaquiddick was a setup psyop to keep him from being president. There's WAAAAY to much fishy stuff regarding that. None of that story makes sense. I don't think he's responsible, but I don't think he's innocent either.

        We're weak and they know this weakness will invite even more suffering (for us), which is why they are doing it.

        I agree they rule with and impose suffering, foreign and domestic.

        [–]JasonCarswellMental Orgy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        A+++