Trump indicted by special counsel Jack Smith over bid to overturn 2020 election

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    [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    The GOP keeps trying to fill their news cycle (fox) with charges against a private citizen, so that their viewers don't notice that other networks are reporting on the crimes of Trump?

    [–]twolanterns 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    if you hadnt noticed the crimo hunter is only there because daddy was VP and selling himself to foreign powers

    evidence to that effect is present and being willfully ignored for a political agenda

    understand now ?

    [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    if you hadnt noticed the crimo hunter is only there because daddy was VP and selling himself to foreign powers

    The possibility of influence with the US was likely a consideration in his hiring.

    And if the DoJ find think that he committed crimes that they can produce beyond all reasonable doubt, i how he's charged.

    evidence to that effect is present and being willfully ignored for a political agenda

    Nope. This investigation was trump era. Biden could have replaced the persecutor, as is normal. He's gone out of his way to allow this process against his son to go ahead uninterrupted.

    And he should be commended for that. When was the last time a republican did something because they wanted to be seen to be transparent and not corrupt?

    understand now ?

    I think so. It's it that your a partisan and you don't care who's criming and who's being transparent? Your analysis is blue == bad, red==good, independent of the facts.

    [–]twolanterns 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    I suppose you would call being against the devil being 'partisan' ...

    so be it

    the fix is in and things are done for biden likely without him knowing (like most things)

    his handlers and dem operatives will be going to prison for all the crimes and coverups

    [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I suppose you call being against the devil being 'partisan' ...

    I was trying to get you to think about the facts, not affirm "blue == bad".

    But it's kind of funny that that's what you did.

    his handlers and dem operatives will be going to prison for all the crimes and coverups

    They've gone out of their way not to cover up. Trump otoh, is charged with witness tampering and obstruction in the documents case. Judge cannon will get him of though, so he won't be going to prison for it. At least this most recent round for the attempts to overturn the election are in from of a decent judge.

    Georgia we are still to find out.

    [–]twolanterns 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    its YOUR assumption

    you spew lots of conjecture with the mass of BS from the dems and their lackeys in their partisan attacks on Trump and America in general

    blue = bad ? blue = treason is becoming more and more obvious to so many Americans

    you can pick to be apologist for the criminals

    [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    blue = treason is becoming more and more obvious to so many Americans

    You know that while Trump had the stolen classified documents at mar a lago, the US suffered a increased loss of informants?

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/

    What suggests that the dems are traitors? Most Americans are concerned about the treason of Trump.

    you can pick to be apologist for the criminals

    Good that you know that this is a bad thing. When whoever it is had their day in court, and is proven guilty, I'm sure we can both agree that then we should stop supporting them.

    Whether or not they get a presidential pardon later.

    But Trump has been indicted. Five times now, including the two when he was president, i think.

    Wake me up when the DoJ has evidence of on Joe.

    [–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    go ahead side with the criminas - be an apologist be with the traitors

    be ready to face the consequences of assisting evil

    [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    On the contrary.

    I'm very much against the criminals, and want to see them convicted and imprisoned.

    [–]GuyWhite 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I see you’ve met ActuallyNot, the Saidit village idiot.

    [–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I waved bye bye to the clot that I put on the train to Blocked City

    told him to repent and be saved

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Private citizen?

      Yes. He doesn't work for the government. Unlike Trump's children he doesn't attend official events in the president's place. So he's not meeting with dignitaries, and it's less clear that he can sell his influence.

      How many "private citizens" do you know that show up to court in an 8-SUV caravan?

      I don't know aren't that show up in any number of SUV Caravans.

      That doesn't mean they don't exist.

      Nevertheless the need for security is obvious.

      How many "private citizens" do you know where the prosecution and defense collude with each other to try to pull a fast one on the judge?

      It's that what you think happened?

      Oh, here we go. What are the details of this "fast one"?

      [–]IkeConn 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

      And just like that Trump went up 45 points in the polls.

      [–]transbob 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      The more they mess with Trump, the more everybody's listening to Trump.

      [–]Fiyanggu 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      Persecuted for refusing to accept the Democrat fix of the election.

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

      No. Charged with 4 attempts to overturn the election.

      It's material that he knew that the Democrats didn't fix the election, as that shows that he knew he was committing crimes.

      [–]Mark_Shill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      how did he know?

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      There's lots of testimony from people who told him. Also he commissioned two investigations looking for fraud.

      The indictment details a lot specific instances. It's worth a read.

      [–]Mark_Shill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      there's lots of people who said the opposite and plenty of evidence that shows the election is rigged. you wanna throw a guy in jail for saying it was rigged? give him the death penalty? calm down Stalin.

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      there's lots of people who said the opposite

      Mostly Trump, and people quoting Trump.

      The reality, as detailed in the indictment is that by 11 days after the election, Trump was informed and knew that he'd legitimately lost the election. That's why the charges are for things he did between about November 14, 2020, through about January 20, 2021. Not in the several days after the election while evidence of widespread fraud was legally questioned: Over that time Jack Smith is of the opinion that Trump's criminal mind can be established beyond all reasonable doubt.

      and plenty of evidence that shows the election is rigged.

      You should have let Fox News know that before they paid out the $700,000,000 to dominion voting. It seems that they didn't know there was any plausible evidence that the election was rigged. They reported it anyway, and couldn't defend it.

      What do you think that you know that they don't?

      you wanna throw a guy in jail for saying it was rigged?

      No. For trying to rig it. Including getting fake electoral college electors for several states, subverting the will of the people. Including threatening Pence to get him to not accept the results. Including storming the capital with dangerous sycophants, leading to loss of life.

      The indictment makes clear saying it was rigged, was, of itself, legal:

      "The Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the Defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful." - Third paragraph.

      [–]thoughtcriminal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      It's material that he knew that the Democrats didn't fix the election

      That will be incredibly hard to prove short of him openly admitting it on record. Someone telling him he's wrong doesn't prove he knows he was wrong nor does it prove he believed he was wrong. This is already a high 1A bar but it's even higher for the POTUS acting in what he believes to be a matter of public interest. 1A protects wrong opinions and even lies (in most cases). You have a right to believe the election was stolen even if you're wrong and even if you've been presented with evidence to the contrary.

      These look like the weakest charges against Trump so far in my opinion.

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That will be incredibly hard to prove short of him openly admitting it on record.

      I'm not sure what the legal standard is here. Smith will try to show it in court though.

      And he's spend a lot of energy detailing how he knew.

      You have a right to believe the election was stolen even if you're wrong and even if you've been presented with evidence to the contrary.

      Yes. And you have the right to lie about it. You don't have the right to call an insurrection to the capital based on those lies, in an attempt to overturn or delay the handing over of power.

      [–]iamonlyoneman 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

      Literally an attempt to criminalize free speech. Shame!

      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

      No, his speech was legal. Even the lies. What's illegal is his attempts to overturn the election by fraud.

      1. The Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the Defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.

      2. Shortly after election day, the Defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. In so doing, the Defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies:
        a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;
        b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified ( the certification proceeding ), in violation of 18U.S.C. § 1512(k); and
        c. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.
        Each of these conspiracies-which built on the widespread mistrust the Defendant was creating through pervasive and destabilizing lies about election fraud-targeted a bedrock function of the United States federal government: the nation's process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election ("the federal government function")

      (the charges)

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      You guys have no shame. You will do anything, by any means, to seize control.

      [–]ActuallyNot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That's what Trump is charged with.

      I didn't do anything of the sort.

      [–]twolanterns 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

      constitutional processes to question flawed election process/results were ignored/bypassed

      would be upto supreme court to decide and allow states to reassign electors

      [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

      constitutional processes to question flawed election process/results were ignored/bypassed

      He did those too. It's even those didn't work that he moved on to the illegal ones.

      [–]twolanterns 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

      no the dems did that

      accusations are easy, ginned up charges are easy

      kangaroo court is easy

      [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

      no the dems did that

      What, when?

      accusations are easy, ginned up charges are easy

      These charges, one the other hand, make a pretty compelling case, wouldn't you say?

      kangaroo court is easy

      They got a good judge.

      [–]twolanterns 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

      These charges

      you mean like the charges during the russian collusion thing ? baseless ...

      and the dems continue with the same

      defending stuff like this and assuming these politiically motivated false accusations are good and proper is more put on you.

      [–]GuyWhite 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

      I see you’ve met ActuallyNot, the Saidit village idiot.

      [–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      I just blocked - idiot says the russian collusion atrocity was proven about trump

      so with that is simply obvious its a demlefty dimbulb who simply lies or is a moron

      basically a waste of skin

      [–]GuyWhite 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yep. A no education know-it-all.

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

      you mean like the charges during the russian collusion thing ? baseless ...

      No, that was proven.

      And this indictment makes an incredibly detailed case. He knew that the election was correct, and he engaged in illegal conspiracies to overturn it.

      That is, and should be very illegal. In the case of one of the charges, death penalty illegal.

      [–]Mark_Shill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

      proven to be bullshit lol

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

      The investigation “identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” and established that the Trump Campaign “showed interest in WikiLeaks's releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton”

      • In 2015 and 2016, Michael Cohen pursued a hotel/residence project in Moscow on behalf of Trump while he was campaigning for President.[5] Then-candidate Trump personally signed a letter of intent.
      • Senior members of the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Jared Kushner took a June 9, 2016, meeting with Russian nationals at Trump Tower, New York, after outreach from an intermediary informed Trump, Jr., that the Russians had derogatory information on Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”[6]
      • Beginning in June 2016, a Trump associate “forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton.”[7] A section of the Report that remains heavily redacted suggests that Roger Stone was this associate and that he had significant contacts with the campaign about Wikileaks.[8]
      • The Report described multiple occasions where Trump associates lied to investigators about Trump associate contacts with Russia. Trump associates George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen all admitted that they made false statements to federal investigators or to Congress about their contacts. In addition, Roger Stone faces trial this fall for obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements, and one count of witness tampering.
      • The Report contains no evidence that any Trump campaign official reported their contacts with Russia or WikiLeaks to U.S. law enforcement authorities during the campaign or presidential transition, despite public reports on Russian hacking starting in June 2016 and candidate Trump’s August 2016 intelligence briefing warning him that Russia was seeking to interfere in the election.
      • The Report raised questions about why Trump associates and then-candidate Trump repeatedly asserted Trump had no connections to Russia.[9]

      -https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

      [–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      that right there spells out you are just plain aiding and abetting the crimes involved

      repent and be saved or away with you

      waste of time which you have just proven

      [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      What?

      [–]Mark_Shill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      they got an obama appointed judge that is overseeing Trump’s J6 Case Previously Donated to Obama Campaign and Worked at Same Law Office as Hunter Biden. Chutkan has a long history of ruling against conservatives and according to NBC “She is the only federal judge in Washington, D.C., who has sentenced Jan. 6 defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested.” A quick look into Chutkan’s political donation records reveals she donated over $3,000 dollars to Barack Obama from 2008-2012.

      [–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      • no standing before
      • moot after

      in a rigged "justice" system you don't get a hearing.

      [–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      it would take five minutes per charge for a reasonable rightist to talk to a reasonable leftist and have the reasonable leftist say "oh, THAT's what he meant. Trump is shit for saying what he means if thats what he meant" but people who drink this kool-aid will never be convinced. We will have a generation of prosperity under rightoid governments, kicked off by the third Trump presidential term, and you'll still be seething about how he caused a riot for losing an election LMAO

      [–]Mark_Shill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Didn't Killary say the election was rigged when she lost to Trump? Fuck yeah, lets also charge her for the same bullshit.

      [–]MagicMike 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      “ Trump is to appear Thursday before U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, a former assistant public defender who was nominated to the bench by President Barack Obama. She often has handed down prison sentences in Jan. 6, 2021, riot cases that are harsher than Justice Department prosecutors recommended.”

      She’s a partisan Obama hack.

      [–]chedca2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      oh snap

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      They are not going to stop with this shit. For fucks sake.

      [–]Thinger 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It will never stop. If Trump completely drops out, they will still go after him. They want to make an example out of him.

      [–]twolanterns 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      clock ticks closer to midnight

      [–]chottohen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Fuck you, Jack.

      [–]ActuallyNot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Yeah ... How dare a prosecutor prosecute the guilty?

      And detail the crimes so clearly in the indictment?

      [–]chottohen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I see. You have already decided that Trump is guilty. You know that prosecutors are demonstrably less intelligent than defense lawyers, right? It's a fact.

      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      He has the right to the presumption of innocence until found guilty in the court of law.

      Which makes Jack's work of critical importance.

      [–]twolanterns 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      ELECTION INTERFERENCE

      dems and their lackeys will have one hell of a lot to pay the piper

      [–]hfxB0oyAPirate Party 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      They know they'll get killed in the election if he runs.

      [–]MagicMike 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Joe Biden versus Xi and Putin. What could go wrong?

      [–]at_finn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Still voting Trump

      [–]MagicMike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Since Trump didn’t use nearly enough of Biden being a lying scumbag (lots of vids of this), I have doubts about all this.

      [–]MagicMike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      This is the nig nog who’ll be the judge.

      https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtontimes.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2Faug%2F1%2Ftanya-chutkan-judge-assigned-donald-trumps-jan-6-c%2F

      [–]EthnocratIndependent 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Fuck Zionald Trump.

      [–]Iswearbymyfloralhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The gaslighting means they plan to do it again and again.

      [–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      I guess if you cast a big enough net, you're bound to get one fish? What happens if/when he beats all these attempts to exclude him from the 2024 election, though? You know he's going to say, "they tried to stop me, but I beat em!" and it'll work.

      [–]twolanterns 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      except they will continue to pile them on - they cant afford to lose or it may be the noose for many of them

      add another crime to the dems list of criminal shame - making false charges

      we can make it 5 years hard labor on a chaingang for the perps (each count)

      [–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I think they're in for a shocker next year. People are tired of their shit and not just folks who lean right. Independents are the biggest group and I don't see them voting for Biden, definitely not for Harris. Who else is there? Newsome? LMAO! We all see CA right now and it's a hellscape.

      [–]twolanterns 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      yes but the liars in the media will fool some again as they did when they hid bidens senility and the whole coverup of the criminality.

      real journalists would take the obvious indications and demand answers 24/7 til they got them, not do the opposite