Trump indicted by special counsel Jack Smith over bid to overturn 2020 election

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[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's lots of testimony from people who told him. Also he commissioned two investigations looking for fraud.

The indictment details a lot specific instances. It's worth a read.

[–]Mark_Shill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

there's lots of people who said the opposite and plenty of evidence that shows the election is rigged. you wanna throw a guy in jail for saying it was rigged? give him the death penalty? calm down Stalin.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

there's lots of people who said the opposite

Mostly Trump, and people quoting Trump.

The reality, as detailed in the indictment is that by 11 days after the election, Trump was informed and knew that he'd legitimately lost the election. That's why the charges are for things he did between about November 14, 2020, through about January 20, 2021. Not in the several days after the election while evidence of widespread fraud was legally questioned: Over that time Jack Smith is of the opinion that Trump's criminal mind can be established beyond all reasonable doubt.

and plenty of evidence that shows the election is rigged.

You should have let Fox News know that before they paid out the $700,000,000 to dominion voting. It seems that they didn't know there was any plausible evidence that the election was rigged. They reported it anyway, and couldn't defend it.

What do you think that you know that they don't?

you wanna throw a guy in jail for saying it was rigged?

No. For trying to rig it. Including getting fake electoral college electors for several states, subverting the will of the people. Including threatening Pence to get him to not accept the results. Including storming the capital with dangerous sycophants, leading to loss of life.

The indictment makes clear saying it was rigged, was, of itself, legal:

"The Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the Defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful." - Third paragraph.