Trump indicted by special counsel Jack Smith over bid to overturn 2020 election

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[–]iamonlyoneman 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Literally an attempt to criminalize free speech. Shame!

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

No, his speech was legal. Even the lies. What's illegal is his attempts to overturn the election by fraud.

  1. The Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the Defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.

  2. Shortly after election day, the Defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. In so doing, the Defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies:
    a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;
    b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified ( the certification proceeding ), in violation of 18U.S.C. § 1512(k); and
    c. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.
    Each of these conspiracies-which built on the widespread mistrust the Defendant was creating through pervasive and destabilizing lies about election fraud-targeted a bedrock function of the United States federal government: the nation's process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election ("the federal government function")

(the charges)

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You guys have no shame. You will do anything, by any means, to seize control.

[–]ActuallyNot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's what Trump is charged with.

I didn't do anything of the sort.

[–]twolanterns 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

constitutional processes to question flawed election process/results were ignored/bypassed

would be upto supreme court to decide and allow states to reassign electors

[–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

constitutional processes to question flawed election process/results were ignored/bypassed

He did those too. It's even those didn't work that he moved on to the illegal ones.

[–]twolanterns 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

no the dems did that

accusations are easy, ginned up charges are easy

kangaroo court is easy

[–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

no the dems did that

What, when?

accusations are easy, ginned up charges are easy

These charges, one the other hand, make a pretty compelling case, wouldn't you say?

kangaroo court is easy

They got a good judge.

[–]twolanterns 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

These charges

you mean like the charges during the russian collusion thing ? baseless ...

and the dems continue with the same

defending stuff like this and assuming these politiically motivated false accusations are good and proper is more put on you.

[–]GuyWhite 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I see you’ve met ActuallyNot, the Saidit village idiot.

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I just blocked - idiot says the russian collusion atrocity was proven about trump

so with that is simply obvious its a demlefty dimbulb who simply lies or is a moron

basically a waste of skin

[–]GuyWhite 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. A no education know-it-all.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

you mean like the charges during the russian collusion thing ? baseless ...

No, that was proven.

And this indictment makes an incredibly detailed case. He knew that the election was correct, and he engaged in illegal conspiracies to overturn it.

That is, and should be very illegal. In the case of one of the charges, death penalty illegal.

[–]Mark_Shill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

proven to be bullshit lol

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

The investigation “identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” and established that the Trump Campaign “showed interest in WikiLeaks's releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton”

  • In 2015 and 2016, Michael Cohen pursued a hotel/residence project in Moscow on behalf of Trump while he was campaigning for President.[5] Then-candidate Trump personally signed a letter of intent.
  • Senior members of the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Jared Kushner took a June 9, 2016, meeting with Russian nationals at Trump Tower, New York, after outreach from an intermediary informed Trump, Jr., that the Russians had derogatory information on Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”[6]
  • Beginning in June 2016, a Trump associate “forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton.”[7] A section of the Report that remains heavily redacted suggests that Roger Stone was this associate and that he had significant contacts with the campaign about Wikileaks.[8]
  • The Report described multiple occasions where Trump associates lied to investigators about Trump associate contacts with Russia. Trump associates George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen all admitted that they made false statements to federal investigators or to Congress about their contacts. In addition, Roger Stone faces trial this fall for obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements, and one count of witness tampering.
  • The Report contains no evidence that any Trump campaign official reported their contacts with Russia or WikiLeaks to U.S. law enforcement authorities during the campaign or presidential transition, despite public reports on Russian hacking starting in June 2016 and candidate Trump’s August 2016 intelligence briefing warning him that Russia was seeking to interfere in the election.
  • The Report raised questions about why Trump associates and then-candidate Trump repeatedly asserted Trump had no connections to Russia.[9]

-https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

[–]twolanterns 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

that right there spells out you are just plain aiding and abetting the crimes involved

repent and be saved or away with you

waste of time which you have just proven

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What?

[–]Mark_Shill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they got an obama appointed judge that is overseeing Trump’s J6 Case Previously Donated to Obama Campaign and Worked at Same Law Office as Hunter Biden. Chutkan has a long history of ruling against conservatives and according to NBC “She is the only federal judge in Washington, D.C., who has sentenced Jan. 6 defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested.” A quick look into Chutkan’s political donation records reveals she donated over $3,000 dollars to Barack Obama from 2008-2012.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  • no standing before
  • moot after

in a rigged "justice" system you don't get a hearing.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it would take five minutes per charge for a reasonable rightist to talk to a reasonable leftist and have the reasonable leftist say "oh, THAT's what he meant. Trump is shit for saying what he means if thats what he meant" but people who drink this kool-aid will never be convinced. We will have a generation of prosperity under rightoid governments, kicked off by the third Trump presidential term, and you'll still be seething about how he caused a riot for losing an election LMAO

[–]Mark_Shill 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Didn't Killary say the election was rigged when she lost to Trump? Fuck yeah, lets also charge her for the same bullshit.