One party is definitely worse than the other right now but still

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[–]stickdog 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

No, both parties totally suck on everything economic.

All the Demopublicans fight over are bullshit culture war posturing to stoke division and make you think that your biggest enemy is your nextdoor neighbor rather than the elite oligarchs both parties serve.

And if it has anything to do with funding endless war, rewarding big corporations, or screwing over the average citizen to hand more money to the top 0.01%, suddenly there is bipartisan consensus!

[–]BobOki 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Been saying it for a LOoOoOoOoNG while, and it has always been crazy to me how ideologs of both corrupt parties actually hate anyone who does not buy into each parties BS MORE than they hate the other party members.

[–]makesyoudownvote 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's hilarious how whenever I brought this up on reddit people would respond with "MuH bOtH sIdEs" or something equally dismissive.

Just because you have heard other people say this doesn't mean it's false.

I am a liberal. In that I don't mean I'm a leftist, the term liberal is very poorly understood especially in the U.S.

What I mean is in general I want to let people do what they want as much as is governmentally possible. I don't mean anarchy, and I certainly don't mean lawlessness, I just mean a guiding principal should be minimal interference with people's lives and a system that seeks to constantly minimize itself.

I also think economically we have made a HUGE mistake with capitalism. It's a great economic model, but it runs better with a carrot than a stick. If you create regulations that are focused on punishment, businesses will find the easiest work around possible and you often end up with a worse problem than you started. Instead you need to try to incentivize the right thing. That encourages the ingenuity that comes from capitalism to work towards that goal rather than skirting a restriction.

That said the one part I probably disagree with you all the most on, is I do believe ecology is important and that with our huge 8 billion population the earth is quickly being maxed out in terms of both pollution and resource consumption. I am not sure capitalism is the right choice with this growing problem. I think we might need a less efficient economic model if only to slow down consumption for a bit.

[–]R51 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That's what taxes are for. Or rather, tax deductions. A good example of this is California's thing with electric cars, there's a huge tax credit if you buy one. Or, growing corn. It's only cheap because the gov't charges less tax to those growing corn. Capitalism isn't the problem here, it's the crowd that's in it, perpetually electing people using our collective funds (taxes) in bad ways. I don't care what kind of magic government you have, if the people in it don't care then it will bring out the worst of that government.

[–]makesyoudownvote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I nostly agree.

I think tax incentives are one of the most useful tools in proper regulation. Things LIKE that are exactly what I am talking about. Carrot vs stick.

But I still think capitalism will inevitably lead to over consumption. It's greatest strength is it's greatest weakness.

It's kind of like this in my opinion. Capitalism is the racecar of economics. It will win if you pit it against anything else. But that doesn't exactly mean it's always the best long term option. You generally don't want a racecar for your commute to work in traffic. This is a bit of an exaggerated metaphor, because capitalism is also extremely adaptable, but the speed can get away from us.

If resource management and ecology is nearly as much of a pressing crisis as it appears to be, I think we'd want to get away from it. If we were in another cold war though as we appear to be approaching one with China, I think capitalism is by far and away the best option.

[–]R51 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ima say it is definitely the best option, paired with some other key ideas. Communism sounds so incredibly boring. We need to be able to wage peaceful wars and engage in peaceful competition or risk stagnating. Capitalism has the potential to allow this whilst benefiting everybody at the same time (obviously as well as the potential to completely fuck a market via abusing other things).

I think a good analogy to think of is freedom of speech. The quality of discourse depends on the people in that room.

[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree, and those are both liberal ideals btw. Capitalism is liberal economics while free speech is a core principal of liberalism.

My only catch is I think Capitalism might be ill equipped for both the level of automation and AI we are beginning to utilize, as it encourages faster and cheaper techniques and risk taking that can and will backfire with AI, it allows for too much wealth inequality as it hinges on a workforce, and with automation production can be handled by too few people to properly spread weather, and this will grow exponentially. And lastly with both resources and AI, it encourages too much risk taking when said risks can have far too catastrophic consequences. AI must be approached slowly and cautiously. We are actually kind of fortunate in a way as what has happened with software driven stock trading illustrates very obviously what pitfalls can come from this. With resources at least a government can regulate, but with AI the genie is already out of the bottle, and that genie is like the monkey paw tale. What you wish for and how the genie/AI interprets that wish will not be the same thing unless those wishes are extremely specific and without greed while capitalism thrives on greed and harnesses it.

This is why what I think you are saying is definitely more right than how most people view these problems, but stopped being true enough to be the defacto best choice about a decade ago. We need to plan to ween ourselves off of it as a global society within the next century. I don't mean overnight change, and I definitely don't think being the first to change is in the best interests of a nation, but it is in the best interest of humanity on the whole.

[–]R51 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, we were not ready for AI. Moving too fast. We have so much more to work on. Young gen says "the future is now, old man" while future just looks bleak every passing generation because, well because human nature lol. Sucks to be human I guess. At least animals are unaware of the futility. Get born, eat, fuck, explore, pvp, satisfy curiosities, teach the young, expore some more till you rejoin the earth, without having the weight of your species screwing the earth on your shoulders.

[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think there is no problem at all with capitalism, as a matter of fact I think it is the best system where all people can succeed. Our issue in America is that we are NOT a capitalist system, we are a CORPTOCROCY where the corporations make the laws and rules, and have no restrictions or rules on how they operate, their affect on the populace, environment, stock market, and the people. I think of capitalism as more like a road, it is just the method on which we sell our labor, and buy others, it is not the ideology or rules being implemented. You can have a road with VASTLY different rules and regulations on that road, like limiting what kind of cars can use it, how often, weight of vehicles, tolls, etc. I find anyone who attacks the method and not the means/rules is much like those who blame inanimate objects for their behavior. Sorry Chaz, the knife did not kill your "back-talking" wife, you did and the knife was just the tool used. Capitalism is no different, and we should be blaming the corporations and their unchecked and unregulated greed for the issues we see, not the method used to do it.

[–]R51 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

kind of with you there. the only distinction is that "corptocrocy" is just capitalism with extra steps. people are content with the system that exists, and so they aren't demanding more for what they get. therefore....... it's worth that much.

[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, communism is just socialism with extra steps. Even if you want to go that direction, those extra steps make all the difference in the world.

[–]BobOki 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well you would be agreeing with me. I am more centrist left leaning, as I support equality (not equity), social programs HAVE to exist to help those who need it, and we have to do whatever is necessary to also protect the environment and those finite resources. I also am huge into sustainability as well as alternate power.

I think any rational person will be more moderate, leaning to one side or the other, but with ideals and support for ideas on BOTH sides. No one, in my opinion, should be all in on either party or ideology, and we have political compasses to back that. Anything past those half way marks on the left and right side is known as extremism, and I am pretty sure that is not normal or natural stances to have. We used to point and make fun of people that did that as being mentally unwell, not coddle them and tell them they are special and deserve to tell the other 75% of the population how we HAVE to live. I do not have to buy in to all the pronouns or be forced to accept a guy that is just a guy (ie not even trying) telling me that he is a girl this morning, or that I have to support the police without question about horrible behavior, be a racist, etc. So I don't, and both sides HATE anyone not willing to just go all in. You cannot demand party or ideological worship and unquestioning loyalty if you have people that can think for themselves, so really not surprised at their behavior.

I will even say the next level of this, I have now for 5 years been calling that the 12.5% on both sides that are super extreme, and as always the loudest, are going to get old, and the other 75% of this population are going to make a new political party, the Party of Common Sense or some such, and they will just pretty much boycott and dismantle the other two parties. People are tired of everyone blaming each side for the things both sides CLEARLY do. People are tired of ONLY having two parties. I would like to think when parties split, and a middle bearing party that can actually work with both sides and come to compromise that helps the people while being financially fiscal, they will do away with First Past the Post and thus the destruction of the two cancer parties, and go to a weighted system, where you can vote for whoever you want in order of who you would want and still know your vote will count 100%.

[–]makesyoudownvote 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Very well said.

This site though sometimes borders on horseshoe theory though with people occasionally being SO far to the right they come back around to being left wing again. Honestly I almost left this site because of the anti-semetism and poorly informed conspiracy theories.

Don't get me wrong. I actually find it a little refreshing in a way. I don't share those opinions at all, but I really did buy into the idea that diversity is great. Ironically this in my opinion INCLUDES people who think diversity is awful. Reddit became such a monolith it became boring and oppressive.

[–]TemporarilyDeceased 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you don't want to kill people overseas, imprison people for victimless crimes, or neuter education, there's no home in the two major parties.

Any differences that exist are irrelevant to these three.

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (46 children)

That "muh both sides are thieves" argument is a neckbeardy cop-out. Every fucking college freshman since Ancient Greece has had that "insight" after a couple of dorm room bong hits.

I've read Ayn Rand, I've listened to Dark Side of the Moon, etc., now STFU and go vote for the party that doesn't want to assfuck your children for Satan.

[–]monkeymagic 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

both parties do that. also it’s one party.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Correct. Also: It is ONE PARTY.

Ticks against human beings. Ticks only like being ticks.

But humans usually rememember and usually can feel regrets for their mistakes.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One party to rule them all, one party to lead them, One party to fool them all, and in the darkness bleed them;

[–]BISH 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That "muh both sides are thieves" argument is a neckbeardy cop-out.

It's not. The two parties are owned by private corporations.

US citizens are owned. Property. Literally.

Property can't have have political rights.

Voting in the US is a franchise, and they can suspend your voting privileges whenever they like.

[–]BlackhaloIndependent 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

vote for the party that doesn't want to assfuck your children for Satan.

You need to narrow that down a bit more, as I am unclear as to which party you refer. They both (for example) seem overly keen on sending us tax Dollars to Ukraine, instead of building infrastructure in the US.

[–]ChristiDelendaEst 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The overthrowing of Donald Trump was to achieve that end.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only party that matters comrade. Queue the music. We're gonna party like it's 1917.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX-7AnOx22k&ab_channel=JamesHandel

[–]UncleJemima 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

and go vote for the party that doesn't want to assfuck your children for Satan.

Indeed - vote for the party that will help the 99%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_Democratic_Party

Don't vote for the party that votes against all of those positions every single time.

[–]ChristiDelendaEst 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

All of these positions are wrong and degenerate, not to mention imperialist. This entire article is nothing but gaslighting for the same warmongers who took our money and gave it to a bunch of literal neo-Nazis to maintain an illegal occupation of indigenous Asian territory by “Europeans.“

[–]UncleJemima 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

lol - so lemme guess, you'll vote Trump or DeSantis in the next election, or will avoid voting - because you believe GOP propaganda to the letter and you refuse to understand anything political?

[–]ChristiDelendaEst 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Project much, groomer? Donald Trump is the real President of the United States. He was overthrown by war criminals to manufacture consent for an illegal immoral imperialist terrorist white supremacist war for oil against the sovereign Asian nation that is 100% responsible for beating Hitler.

Stay away from children.

[–]UncleJemima 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

hahahahahahaha

8 responses from you in the last few minutes - each one more lame-brained than the one before it.

Of course Trump is your President, the greatest president, indeed THE most amazing person ever. How dare I question your and his superiority in all things. Oh, my sides.....

[–]ChristiDelendaEst 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

More projection from a bullying bootlicker of oligarchy. Keep denying your culpability in white heterosexual male terrorism and genocide against women of children of color who are indigenous to the Donbass and have every right to use force to take it back by every means necessary.

[–]UncleJemima 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

projection of what - lol?

none of this word salad makes sense, dingbat

[–]ChristiDelendaEst 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

dingbat

Stifle yourself, HONKY!

[–]UncleJemima 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm not white, nigger

[–]ChristiDelendaEst 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You’re projecting the war crimes of the oligarchy onto the only good president the United States has ever had or ever will have.

Your name calling is just another admission that you have no argument. You hate Trump so much that you will risk the annihilation of the entire planet with a nuclear war just to get rid of him. That puts blood on your hands.

All of your posts constitute harassment and bullying on behalf of war criminals, and will be reported as such.

[–]UncleJemima 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

more word salads

again, try to think, rather obsess over me - now with a dozen dumbass responses from you - it's boring

[–]monkeymagic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

i’ll answer for him. yes.

in a fleshed out political spectrum where there wasn’t 1 uni party dominating any and all discourse one would expect OTHER, VIABLE ALTERNATIVES to emerge rather than be immediately snuffed out by the “2 parties” that are totally not working in unison 😜 not that fucking complicated.

[–]UncleJemima 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

None of this makes sense. Yes, there are major problems US politics. No, we shouldn't be so stupid as to fall for childish notions about them (such as: waaaaaaah! everyone's evil!!!).

[–]BobOki 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'll bite. Please give one example of either side policing themsevles. One example of both sides not giving themsevles a pay increase. One example of both sides limiting their power. One example of both sides giving up money from their masters pockets or their own pockets to give to the people. One example of blocking insider trading and making it a jailable offence.

Let me save you the trouble, you won't. BOTH parties are hypocritical trash, and their followers are many many multitudes worse than the ole rich guys they worship. Here is some nice homework for you, since you are so confidently correct. Tell me which major politician is not multi-million $ rich. Now, tell me how many of their party members are. I'll wait.

[–]UncleJemima 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

give one example

looks up user... 2 days

nope

[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Uhmm your account says 1 days. So I want to make sure I have what you are saying is correct. You are a 1 day old user from Reddit, but you are not willing to listen to a 2 day old account, but for some insane reason expect everyone else to listen to you, and more so think you have the tenure for it. We call that hypocritical, and to be frank being you did it just to avoid someone obviously calling out the incorrect stuff you are saying. The rules here state quite specifically that you follow the Pyramid of Debate of which you are currently using Ad hominen attacks and name-calling, which is CLEARLY against ToS.

So, to remind you this is NOT Reddit and the rules here require you to debate in good faith, I will just report you, block you, and move on. Good day.

[–]UncleJemima 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm nobody. You're obviously assuming way too much about me, Saidit and yourself.

The 'both parties are the same' argument is an obvious fallacy, on several levels. Your belief (and that of others here) in the disinformation propaganda about this is evidence that you've not bothered to read about the approaches of each party, or that you don't understand those approaches, or that you prefer instead to regurgitate the disinformation propaganda fed to you by other fools, or all three of these problems. This disinformation works because you and others will now avoid voting for candidates who can potentially help you, and you will instead parrot the disinformation fed to you by dark money-funded groups that want low voter turnout in order to get their right-wing candidates in office (right-wing voters always religiously vote for their candidate; low voter turnout only impacts the 'left' negatively). Yes, there are problems with both parties. But you don't have to be a sucker for disinformation claiming they're both the same. That's just stupid, and overlooks the incredible abuses of each party, and especially the abuses of Republicans since Reagan. But you don't have to believe a nobody on Saidit. Look it up, so that you don't embarrass yourself when you're around normal people.

[–]ChristiDelendaEst 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Will help the 99% do what? Plunge deeper and deeper into poverty and degeneracy?

Another socks sockpuppet. Nice try, fedbot.

[–]WoodyWoodPecker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Democratic Party does not help 99% of the people, only special interest groups that lobby and give them money.

[–]BobOki 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ahh yes, blatant partisan redditor comes to the another platform assuming they are all hyper-partisan, then decides they own the place and don't have to follow rules. Go read up on the rules with the Pyramid of Debate as it seems you are somewhere between Contradiction and Tone Response.

edit No, I was wrong, further reading of this thread shows you are hyper-toxic, call people names, have attacked multiple people, and think somehow the mods will back you like on Reddit. Sir, you are about to be surprised, this is the rest of the world, and it is about to send you a wake up message.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Both parties want to assfuck your children for Satan and they suppress third party options.
Win win.

[–]TitsAndWhiskeyRepublican Party 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Some thieves are thievier than others.

[–]ChristiDelendaEst 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And vote for the one who wants to rape your daughters’ pussies for Jesus instead?

How big is Satan‘s dick anyway? I wanna have all the facts before I make my final decision.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This comment sent me flying.

But no, I will never vote conservative. =P I think people will always be divided on SOMEthing.

[–]shatabee5 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

don't vote. neither party is on your side.

or vote for Cornel West.

[–]Anman 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Where is that meme of the man yelling "Why is the government doing this" and it has a saw labelled Voting and he is cutting his own arm off.

[–]ChristiDelendaEst 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

We should just give Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Benjamin Netanyahu absolute power and get it over with.

[–]Anman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LOL. Figure heads are nothing. Cops shoot your dogs and steal your money, banks take your house, military bombs your children, whatever.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Worse than that, Bob, worse than that.

The entire system is built so a few "great men" (read the historical theory of great men who decide what a society does) can slowly sieze the property of everyone else. While the slaves value monopoly money, the great men seize assets. Even in school when teachers ask you to share your dream they mean to share the career you want. You are expected to dream about working for the rest of your life. And you work, not just to survive, but to also buy junk you do not need to give more economic power to these great men.

All politicians do is serve these great men while pretending to serve the slaves.

[–]monkeymagic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yes. absolutely correct.

also the average intellect is captured (in its entirety) by theatre 🎭. theatre that casts the illusion that party a feels 1 way and party b feels another way regarding issues that in the long term have already been resolved by the ‘great men’ as you so astutely refer to them as. the great men have a long game. they have enough vision to realize that sudden implementation of policy will encounter far more resistance than a gradual one. the theatre 🎭 is just there to keep the average intellect in perpetual check.

[–]monkeymagic 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

no. you either recognize what the meme is describing to be self evident or you do not. if theatrics obscure your ability to see that then this meme is not for you.

[–]MuskyIndependent[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

One party is not backing trannies.

[–]shatabee5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

but they both support the war machine...

Nah, it's unethical and immoral to vote for either.

[–]MuskyIndependent[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Let's look at the current proxy war, is it not better to have Ukranians be human speed bumps, getting their men slaughtered by Russians, if it weakens the Sino-Russo coalition and averts global war, than to sit back, do nothing, and feel comfortable about our ethics and morality until it bites us in the ass?

[–]shatabee5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

averts global war

That's a huge 'if'. It's more like a CYA excuse to hide the real goal of billionaires making more billions stealing Ukraines assets and more billions by selling weapons.

[–]MuskyIndependent[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Sure, there's a few 'upsides' to supplying money and arms to Ukraine, and I'm sure politicians enriching themselves is part of it, but I don't think they'd destroy a country just for that. Like Afghanistan and Iraq, there were a number of goals, most unstated, from those actions. The public just gets the PR bullshit like we're fighting against terrorism, WMDs, or for 'freedom.'

But almost certainly one of our goals is to weaken the Sino-Russo coalition. Janet Yellen recently had a press conference discussing what the US would do if China dumped all $850bn of US debt they held, which would be an act of economic warfare (my words, not hers). That's a concern. And there's the Taiwan situation. 90% of all semiconductors are made in Taiwan. We can't let China have it. Everything runs on those chips including our war machine. China would have the keys to the kingdom otherwise. But they're pushing it, that's pretty aggressive no matter our stated One China policy. They know it too and they're saber rattling anyways. In fact, there's been talk of just bombing Taiwan's factories. Makes sense, take away the thing we would fight over and there's no reason to fight. We're rebuilding our own capacity but China needs to give us time and then we won't give a damn about Taiwan.

And then there's BRICS That's going to be the WW3 equivalent of the Axis powers. And it represents China extending its sphere of influence. They want to rule the world. They aren't even subtle about it. And the US doesn't do a great job as a world leader but I don't think China is going to be an improvement.

And there's China's military buildup. Their spending is still far less than ours but they have more spending parity, they get more bang for their buck that we do. We're even arming Japan because of it, a country that nominally isn't supposed to have an offensive military as per ww2 agreements.

The possibility of a new world war is definitely upon us, it's pretty inconceivable to me that preventing that wouldn't be a goal here. Russia is by far China's strongest ally militarily. Weaken them, weaken China's ability to wage a global war.

[–]shatabee5 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think they'd destroy a country just for that

that's what disaster capitalism is

[–]shatabee5 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

They want to rule the world.

China isn't going around the globe instigating coups, military conflicts and NATO-like imperialism. That's the US.

[–]MuskyIndependent[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

China has its own brand of imperialism with its Belt & Road initiative, wolf warrior diplomacy, espionage, and expansionism. It's not a case of the US being dethroned and everyone living in peace and harmony. It's China determining the new world order and I don't see that being better. Given China's history it's likely going to be even worse, heavily censored, and bloodier. Hell, I wouldn't even want to be a Chinese citizen let alone one in a vassal state to China.

Oh, and the icing on the cake, China is short on women to the tune of 34 million. The US isn't big on war brides or comfort women, although China isn't fond of mixed breeds from what I understand, it's hard to imagine so many men being happy being incels their whole lives.

Speaking of the espionage, at least one of those Chinese balloons we shot down was floating over Montana iirc, a place that pretty much only holds one important strategic concern: our nuclear silos. That doesn't bode well either.

[–]shatabee5 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't see that being better.

Sorry, but the only point of fighting China or any other war is to keep the western oligarchy/billionaires money/in power.

Russia is the boogeyman. China is the boogeyman. In reality, our own government harms us more than they do.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why can’t all of them be the boogeys? Give either of them global control and your lives are wasted.

[–]MuskyIndependent[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country. They're not really a threat on their own. Their tech is ass backwards. I wouldn't even bet on most of their nuclear arsenal still working anymore. But paired with China, that could be a problem.

Our own government harms us more because the Chinese don't have the opportunity to boss us around. Yet. And our oligarchs don't need wars to stay in power. Although I agree they certainly enrich themselves off these wars, and I'm not defending it, but that's not always against the best interests of the US population either.

In Afghanistan we took their oil and we got their poppy fields. Notice the "opioid crisis" geared up when we were planning to withdraw and would lose our access to poppy fields. We had to wean Americans off opiates, again. I think it's the fourth time in our nation's history. It happened after the civil war, after WW1, WW2, and towards the end of the Afghani conflict. I'm not sure about Vietnam, I have heard anecdotally that the heroin was so pure it was easy to get off of, which seems counter-intuitive but I've heard it enough times to think there might be something to that.

I don't know if you know this, but the safer opiates are all naturally derived or only semi-synthetic. The molecules are too complex to synthesize. Sure, we can make fentanyl till the cows come home, but that stuff is easy to overdose on and it causes heart attacks.

When we were weaning people off, we had cancer patients suffering and people dying in pain. Major surgeries are still being done with nothing more than Tylenol for post Op care now. That's barbaric for a drug class that only a small percentage of people ever become addicted to.

But there's only so much raw materials out there for making the good stuff and it sure as shit ain't going to us peasants.

I've seen how China treats its own citizens and it's far worse than the US. I can only imagine how they'd abuse the shit out of the US given half the chance.

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    [–]MuskyIndependent[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Jesus, Edward, give chat-GPT a rest. It comes off sounding like a retarded redditor.

    [–]Ehhhhhh 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You realize that it's choreographed right?

    The right pushed laws to restrict privacy and personal rights in the name of "protecting the children against these evil trannies".

    They're in it together. Good cop, bad cop to manipulate both sides.

    [–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    working for themselves

    IFIFY:
    exploiting others for themselves

    [–]Godknight 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    One day people will learn that it's never been about left or right.

    But between good and evil.

    [–]MelvinDelvaney 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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