Matt Taibbi releases THE TWITTER FILES. The first installment in a series. This is the greatest election interference in US history. People from Twitter and the media need to be locked up.

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[–]HiddenFox 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I've noticed a lot of articles going around yesterday and today talking about Twitter and hate content. It looks like deliberate misdirection as the timing is right when the Twitter files are being released.

Example: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/twitter-moving-fast-moderation-harmful-content-surges-says-executive-3119651

The part I like best is that while they talk about a surge in hate content in the start of the article they always conculed that thing are improving but they leave that part to the end! Gotta love headlines!

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

timing is right when the Twitter files are being released.

Well, no, because first of all, these files contain basically nothing of relevance, and absolutely nothing here is damaging to Twitter or Biden more than to trump and the republicans.

And then furthermore: the timing for this release was something Elon decided. I don't think you can credibly claim that the editors of something called "channelnewsasia" were so worried that Elon was going to release a total nothingburger that they decided it was really urgent to publish comments made on Thursday about trust and safety. Like - "ohmagerd fellow newsasian staff, Elon is about to release a complete dud story, quick! Let's give timely reporting to the newsworthy comments made this week!"

Honestly u/HiddenFox watching you develop a conspiracy theory out of absolutely nothing, in real time, is quite illuminating about how the mind of a conspiracists malfunctions

[–]HiddenFox 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

At the time this article was released the contents of the Twitter files were generally unknown. It could turn out to be nothing or it could result in several law suits (for sure it will) and possibly hard proof of some of the biggest election interference in the USA's history. Do you honestly believe no one was worried about what was in those files? (TBH I've yet to read the files so I can't comment onto how impactful these files are.)

Next, it's not a conspiracy to state that this story was released before Musk gave notice he was publishing the Twitter files. Nor is it a conspiracy to state that most of these articles lead with a headline about a surge in hateful content only to then acknowledge that Twitter is actively fixing it at the end of the article.

If you're critical of "channelnewsasia" here is a link to 34 more variations of the same story. mostly left or left leaning.

https://ground.news/article/hate-speech-on-twitter-is-rising-under-elon-musk-say-campaigners_5170a3

Last, what is this comment about?

Honestly u/HiddenFox watching you develop a conspiracy theory out of absolutely nothing, in real time, is quite illuminating about how the mind of a conspiracists malfunctions

What proof do you have that I'm a conspiracists? Is one interpretation of a comment the level of proof you require? Why would you even phrase it like that other then to attempt a negative interaction?

[–]Drewski 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Site_rly_sux regularly makes ad hominem attacks rather than addressing the actual post. I've tried engaging them before and it's clear they're not arguing in good faith.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

makes ad hominem attacks rather than addressing the actual post

I already addressed the content of the post. I read it all and this was my conclusion. If you check again, you may notice that I'm the only person here who HAS actually commented on the content of the post.

The smoking gun here, is that both teams had a backchannel to report offending tweets for policy review..

So both Trump's and Biden's people had an extended version of the "report tweet" button that everyone gets

Would you like to talk with me about the content of the post, u/Drewski? What about the post shall we talk about - I have read it, and there's my summary, happy to talk about it in detail with you. But you're not happy to join me in engaging on the content - nobody here is, because it would mean acknowledging that they're wrong. So instead of calling me out about some petty behaviour that I've exhibited the exact opposite of in this thread, why don't you read the Taibi thread and tell me where I'm wrong?

[–]Drewski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So instead of calling me out about some petty behaviour that I've exhibited the exact opposite of in this thread

I called you out for your poor mannered comments towards HiddenFox, which is consistent with many of your other posts here on Saidit.

Well, no, because first of all, these files contain basically nothing of relevance, and absolutely nothing here is damaging to Twitter or Biden more than to trump and the republicans.

If that's your takeaway, fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. To me it seems that Twitter was engaging in censorship with a clear partisan bias, which many of their own employees had qualms about.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So, there's nothing in the content of the post that you wanted to talk about?

makes ad hominem attacks rather than addressing the actual post

For someone who seems to really want to address the content of the post, you've been doing a lot of talking about me instead. That's ok, let's talk about the content of the actual post, what would you like to talk about? Do you think it's concerning that twitters largest advertisers have a dedicated account manager that they can email.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What proof do you have that I'm a conspiracists

Because you are postulating these conspiracies

  1. There's a conspiracy at twitter. Taibi didn't show this, you admit "it could turn out to be nothing", but you know for a fact that people are "worried about what was in those files". There's no evidence around, beyond Taibi's stupid vacuous nonsense, that anything happened, yet you believe there was a conspiracy at twitter

  2. You just told me that at least 34 media editors have conspired to bury a story. That's what you think happened - it's not that something newsworthy happened recently, it's a conspiracy to cover up the Twitter non-story.

That's why I said you're a conspiracy theorist - because you've just conjured two out of ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE.

[–]HiddenFox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's a conspiracy at twitter.

I've read my OP 3 times now. At no point did I postulate there is a conspiracy at twitter. I mentioned that I noticed articles about twitter going around and I said it looks like an attempt at misdirection. That does not mean there is a conspiracy, that's my opinion. I feel like you disagree with what I said and are tossing out "Conspiracy theorist" as a way to shoot down my comment without providing a rebuttal.

I've been on Saidit for over 2 years and before that Reddit since 2010. In that whole time it's never been implied that I was a conspiracy theorist. To me this is just the latest buzz term used to dismiss people without any discussion. It's right up there with 'disinformation'.

You just told me that at least 34 media editors have conspired to bury a story. That's what you think happened - it's not that something newsworthy happened recently, it's a conspiracy to cover up the Twitter non-story.

That's not a conspiracy, it's collusion and/or being complacent and it has happened many times. The first things that comes to mind are the second Iraq war, 2008 housing bubble/crash, Occupy Wall street, BLM protests and Covid-19 reporting. All these events are examples of when the media fixated on a singular narrative. Information that went against the established narrative was ignored or actively suppressed. That is 100% factually what happened. To believe that this is not happening again is naive.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

an attempt at misdirection

...by actors who are conspiring. That's called a conspiracy theory. You invented a conspiracy theory out of absolutely nothing.

it's collusion

Oh, a collusion theory. So you're a collusion theorist

Why, if you accept that you're a collusion theorist, would you fight me on the term "conspiracy theory"? You're just throwing up your mental barriers against the content of what I wrote: that you theorised two sets of collusion, out of no evidence whatsoever.

All these events are examples of when the media fixated on a singular narrative. Information that went against the established narrative was ignored or actively suppressed.

Who actively suppressed? Was it people who were conspiring - sorry, colluding? Are you really going to throw 15 conspiracy theories at me to prove you're not a conspiracy theorist?

second Iraq war, 2008 housing bubble/crash, Occupy Wall street, BLM protests and Covid-19 reporting

"Bro I'm not a conspiracy theorist, nobody ever called me that, now here's all the conspiracy theories that I believe in"

Why dont you just face facts?

  1. That this is a non-story

  2. That you were wrong to think, without checking, that this information is damaging to someone

  3. That you were wrong to think that 34 editors colluded to cover up a nothingburger by printing newsworthy recent events

  4. That you cant pretend you're not a conspiracy theorist who invents fictional stories out of nowhere by insisting you're just a collusion theorist

[–]Schwarzenigga 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent points - you've listed the main problems better than I could have done.