Comply and live is a myth.

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[–]Druullus 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (21 children)

...or people are allowed to defend themselves?

[–]Firstbrickwall 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Finally someone speaking the truth. Most people whining about police violence have never been in a situation where they’re facing a criminal or someone so unhinged that your own life is on the line.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Shooting unarmed people is never about defence. Thankfully our police isn't like this.

When i went full psycho-mode they came with 12 men and drove me into a psych ward instead of shooting me. Maybe i could have choked my ex to death otherwise.

No guns involved, because i could've snatched one.

They used plastic shields (because i'm a quite fierce guy for my weight class) instead of guns to pin me and be able to arrest me (which they then even didn't do). I wore handcuffs for like 2 minutes or so. They talked with me instead of shooting. I still don't like German police but i gotta respect them for being able to handle these kinds of situations.

There wasn't even a charge. This is what a solution to a conflict should look like.

One of the rare reasons i actually like to pay taxes.

[–]JasonCarswell 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

IMO the police are stretched FAAAAAR too wide and their tasks MUST be broken up.

We need:

NEW deescalation teams - with backup SWAT thugs and/or paramedics and/or firemen standing by in case.

NEW mental health teams.

Reform of psych wards, akin to prisons far worse than being left alone.

SWAT to be separate.

Traffic cops and ticket writers to be as separate as the postman is.

Criminal investigators, minor crimes, major crimes, and corporate crime investigators to be separate.

End the drug war and decriminalize everything.

Prosecutors and judges to be separate and independent and accountable.

Prisons to be separate and community controlled - not corporate.

etc.

MORE reforms to help the little guy. But of course they'll never do that.

[–]ReeferMadness 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That is a massive undertaking and only works in a society with low violence. When you have 1 domestic abuse call per day or less in a city. When there are dozens it becomes untenable.

Then consider that what these officers are doing is mostly traffic stops that quickly turn violent because the person refuses to comply and thinks they can fight their way out.

Letting people like that win is not an option. That is a recipe for absolute disaster.

We can't have a kid gloves swat team at every traffic stop.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They 'handled' me. Nothing more to add to that.

As i wrote: Without guns. So it is possible. Nobody got injured and the conflict was resolved quite quickly.

If rooms didn't have corners it might have gone south. But it didn't. Because even my kitchen has corners and you only can box against fists you see. Even the big guys never lowered their shields after they dropped the cuffs. There was mutual respect.

Involving guns would have complicated the whole situation.

Medical personnel was also quite nice. I slept it off, my ex moved out quite peacefully and i was back there the day after.

These five minutes were decisive.

[–]ReeferMadness 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are claiming that this is comparable to the 900 shootings a year. It is absolutely not.

You are claiming that this kind of response is scalable to all the situations that may lead to violence involving police. It is absolutely not.

Guns are not the problem, violent people are. Those people are by far not temporarily mentally disturbed; they are career criminals.

You are an exception and what worked on you was an exception.

Changing society to conform to your unique situation is stupid.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you have any idea how competent in chemistry i am?

It is my third most liked.

What do you think what i did think when i saw a T5 van with six cops into it near my house ?

Yes. I went in there. Like a man does.

There is no fucking fleeing gene in me.

Also i'm quite hard to KO. Even if you manage to hit my head: i should add.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oooooh...you're a violent misogynist.

Well that explains a lot.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You know exactly one night of a sever year long story and still judge me, even literally no one was hurt. Which clearly shows you are an idiot.

I just deny your allegations and since this is not your first comment like this: Nice never reading you bs again.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe i could have choked my ex to death otherwise.

If that isn't the act of a violent misogynist, what is?

"Can't shake the Devil's hand then say you're only kidding"

-- They Might Be Giants, "Your Racist Friend" (1992)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

What, you think people other places don't defend themselves? What the hell is wrong with you? You think a murderer being found out by police is going to hide his gun so they won't find the illegal weapon?

But people elsewhere don't expect to get SHOT for running a stop sign. Go figure.

[–]ReeferMadness 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

No one gets shot for running a stop. You have been brainwashed.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I've seen it.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

That which is claimed without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't have search engines in your neck of the woods? You're too disabled to use one? You really don't know about anything that goes on around you, do you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_Scott

https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/6/9/21285536/maurice-gordon-police-shooting-explained

https://www.tmz.com/2020/09/02/new-video-shooting-dijon-kizzee-la-county-sheriff-deputies/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Javier_Ambler

Every year there are a few. Of course, the newest ones might well be psy ops, but to state "No one gets shot for running a stop" is utterly false.

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now you've changed your story. You said you'd seen it personally, now it's changed to some Wikipedia articles.

Why do I get the idea if I investigate any of these, I'll find out the perp made a sudden movement like he was going to pull out a weapon?

After the 22 minute police chase and several minor collisions, the chase ended when Ambler crashed into a tree, on a North Austin Street.

Yup, there's one.

But it isn’t until he exits the cruiser that he gets into an altercation with the officer, who shoots him six times.

And another. Boy, Vox.com sure is a credible source, isn't it? Not hard left at all.

The Sheriff's Dept. goes on to say that during the struggle, some items Kizzee was carrying fell on the ground ... one of which they claim was a handgun.

There's another one. Bonus points for using the highly credible site TMZ.com.

In December 2017, Slager was sentenced to 20 years in prison, with the judge determining the underlying offense was second-degree murder.

Justice was served.

None of these were running a stop sign. All of them ran from the police and resisted arrest. Traffic stops often result in taking dangerous criminals off the street. It's how they caught left-wing terrorist Yū Kikumura.

You don't have search engines in your neck of the woods? You're too disabled to use one? You really don't know about anything that goes on around you, do you?

These are personal insults, explicitly disallowed by Saidit rules. Moreover you made an ableist slur, which is forbidden by your own leftism.

[–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No you haven't. You are just dumb enough to watch a criminal try to murder a cop, have the reporter tell you he was shot for running a stop, and just believe that retarded lie.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wow this place is really turning into a shithole as bad as reddit.

[–]Intuit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You can help bring the level of discussion up.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't worry, I do that a lot. But replying to trolls doesn't bring the best out of me. Go figure.

[–]Druullus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Americans are allowed to defend themselves with guns/carry guns, so American cops must deal with that, i.e. does German cops run into people with guns, or suspect it. How many of the fatalities were unjustified?

And the US s a lot more homogenous than Germany.