Comply and live is a myth.

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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Shooting unarmed people is never about defence. Thankfully our police isn't like this.

When i went full psycho-mode they came with 12 men and drove me into a psych ward instead of shooting me. Maybe i could have choked my ex to death otherwise.

No guns involved, because i could've snatched one.

They used plastic shields (because i'm a quite fierce guy for my weight class) instead of guns to pin me and be able to arrest me (which they then even didn't do). I wore handcuffs for like 2 minutes or so. They talked with me instead of shooting. I still don't like German police but i gotta respect them for being able to handle these kinds of situations.

There wasn't even a charge. This is what a solution to a conflict should look like.

One of the rare reasons i actually like to pay taxes.

[–]JasonCarswell 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

IMO the police are stretched FAAAAAR too wide and their tasks MUST be broken up.

We need:

NEW deescalation teams - with backup SWAT thugs and/or paramedics and/or firemen standing by in case.

NEW mental health teams.

Reform of psych wards, akin to prisons far worse than being left alone.

SWAT to be separate.

Traffic cops and ticket writers to be as separate as the postman is.

Criminal investigators, minor crimes, major crimes, and corporate crime investigators to be separate.

End the drug war and decriminalize everything.

Prosecutors and judges to be separate and independent and accountable.

Prisons to be separate and community controlled - not corporate.

etc.

MORE reforms to help the little guy. But of course they'll never do that.

[–]ReeferMadness 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That is a massive undertaking and only works in a society with low violence. When you have 1 domestic abuse call per day or less in a city. When there are dozens it becomes untenable.

Then consider that what these officers are doing is mostly traffic stops that quickly turn violent because the person refuses to comply and thinks they can fight their way out.

Letting people like that win is not an option. That is a recipe for absolute disaster.

We can't have a kid gloves swat team at every traffic stop.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They 'handled' me. Nothing more to add to that.

As i wrote: Without guns. So it is possible. Nobody got injured and the conflict was resolved quite quickly.

If rooms didn't have corners it might have gone south. But it didn't. Because even my kitchen has corners and you only can box against fists you see. Even the big guys never lowered their shields after they dropped the cuffs. There was mutual respect.

Involving guns would have complicated the whole situation.

Medical personnel was also quite nice. I slept it off, my ex moved out quite peacefully and i was back there the day after.

These five minutes were decisive.

[–]ReeferMadness 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You are claiming that this is comparable to the 900 shootings a year. It is absolutely not.

You are claiming that this kind of response is scalable to all the situations that may lead to violence involving police. It is absolutely not.

Guns are not the problem, violent people are. Those people are by far not temporarily mentally disturbed; they are career criminals.

You are an exception and what worked on you was an exception.

Changing society to conform to your unique situation is stupid.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you have any idea how competent in chemistry i am?

It is my third most liked.

What do you think what i did think when i saw a T5 van with six cops into it near my house ?

Yes. I went in there. Like a man does.

There is no fucking fleeing gene in me.

Also i'm quite hard to KO. Even if you manage to hit my head: i should add.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oooooh...you're a violent misogynist.

Well that explains a lot.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You know exactly one night of a sever year long story and still judge me, even literally no one was hurt. Which clearly shows you are an idiot.

I just deny your allegations and since this is not your first comment like this: Nice never reading you bs again.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe i could have choked my ex to death otherwise.

If that isn't the act of a violent misogynist, what is?

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