What are your thoughts/ counter arguments on this post perpetuating the standard "White's do not exist as a race/ Whiteness was made up in the US" leftist narrative?

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[–]TrabWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If White people don't exist then tell them never to complain about anything like "White supremacy" or "White privilege" ever again since clearly if Whites can't exist neither can those

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Logical fallacy. From your perspective, whites do exist, and hence if they didn't exist, white privilege couldn't be a thing.
From their perspective, whites do not exist, and hence white privilege is problematic, because while whites don't exist, people treat others as if whites DID exist which grants those people, that are classified as white by society, special privileges.

Obviously this is false, whites are "privileged" (read: better) through biology, but are socially being persecuted and oppressed by the state and society in general. By denying our superior biology, they artificially create a social vacuum of inequality that justifies their antiwhite discrimination.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

whites do not exist, and hence white privilege is problematic

For white privilege to exist, "white", as a socially constructed racial category, must also exist.

Most of the arguments ive seen around whites not existing fall into the following:

1 - present white edge case, such as a pale skinned half oriental siberian or some other oddball that not everyone agrees is white, then argue that since white doesnt have an conctete definition, whites dont really exist and its an irrellevant illegitmate racial category.

2 - claim historical whiteness didnt exist, therefore whiteness is irrellevant. This usually revolves around saying dutch saw themselves as dutch, english as english, etc. not white. This is a poor argument for obvious reasons.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Whites obviously exist as a socially constructed racial category. Even leftists will argue this.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Even leftists will argue this.

They go both ways. When a chinaman or black identifies as asian american or black, it's rare or nonexistant for jewmedia to ask "what even is asian", then pretend fail to reach a reasonable conclusion on what that means.

Meanwhile, white identity is met with, "what even is white?" followed by, "no one even knows".

This is what I mean when I say leftists dont recognize white as a racial category. The only time white identity exists to them is when it's used to disparage whites.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If they don't recognize social race, then the logic in OP holds.

[–]TrabWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

From their perspective, whites do not exist, and hence white privilege is problematic

This is exactly the point though, who are the benefactors of "White Privilege" if Whites don't exist?

You don't need to spend time explaining to them Whites exist, make them explain their views on the contradictions they hold on race

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is exactly the point though, who are the benefactors of "White Privilege" if Whites don't exist?

Those who are PERCEIVED to be white due to their white skin color, but are not white, because race is not real.

[–]TrabWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And who are these people "perceived" to be White?

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those with white skin and those who are white passing.