Looking for info re some political activities last few years (US centric but interested in comments from anyone)

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[–]oligarchracy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Shift among left-leaning politics towards cruelty. I had always thought of lefty people as wanting peace, love, etc. Used to promote understanding, compassion, approaches using empathy etc. Did this change at some point? When/why? Was it gradual or abrupt?

As far as I can tell, the shift happened largely as a result of Jewish paranoia over the rise of "the right", sometime around 2014-15(which itself was largely driven by Jewish excesses on immigration and anti white racial identity politics). The fear was that the pacifist nature of the western left(which itself sprang in part from a sustained post ww2 Jewish propaganda campaign to pacify whites and get them to reject "authoritarianism") was in danger of being rolled over by the right, so Jewish power set about trying to reverse this pacifism and manipulate the left into being more aggressive and combative. I've been a little astonished myself over how quickly and successfully this occurred, but that's what you can do when you pretty much control media, entertainment, politics, and academia. The dirtbag left and groups like antifa and to a large extent BLM are all examples of this largely astroturfed movement to weaponize the left into serving Jewish power and attacking the right, or at least those elements of the right Jewish power is afraid of. Mainly populism and white identity politics.

Why and how the left went from one extreme to the other almost overnight and become so excessively cruel and thuggish probably also has a lot to do with the changing demographics in the west, the breakdown of the American family structure, and the rise of 24/7 social media and the relentless peer pressure that can be manufactured by those who control it. Reddit is a great example of how this type of astroturfed peer pressure works. Jewish power also seemed to focus on empowering and protecting the most sociopathic elements of the left, which were always there but largely powerless. Drug addicts, younger homeless people, ex cons, and the mentally ill suddenly became the foot soldiers of this new left, and they were protected by Jewish money, political and legal power, while the right they went after were relentlessly baited, attacked, and then selectively prosecuted.

[–]panel30[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Thanks for the reply.

It seemed like at some point there was like, an "official" change in policy or something. I don't know where to look for people talking about this. I have seen discussion from various perspectives about "the riots" but I don't know what to look for re the more rhetoric style kinds of things maybe I'd put it.

Maybe re the cruelty I noticed it re talking about Christianity. It used to be "coexist," "let me respectfully talk to you about why I think it's not true," and at some point it the style changed to just mostly just sortof overtly trashing Christianity. People were cruel to people they disagreed with even if the rules were nominally treat everyone with respect. I was surprised when I encountered it because it was not what I was used to and not what I thought "the left" generally stood for. It seemed like there had been a chance in policy or something. Maybe a development in leftist theory that somebody could name and point to. Idk.

I haven't really examined a lot of the pacifism and anti-authoritarianism stuff coming out of ww2. I know it's there, the milgrim experiments eg. I took it at face value when I was taught about it and I haven't examined it or where it came from much since.

[–]oligarchracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It seemed like at some point there was like, an "official" change in policy or something.

There was, and I pointed out a major reason for this change.

Another thing I failed to mention is that the Neocons had pretty much burned bridges with conservatives after Iraq, and what passes for the right was no longer down for more Jewish wars, so the Neocons laid low for a few years then reinvented themselves as left wing shitlibs because they still had wars they wanted to wage(like Ukraine, Syria, and a war with Iran). In order to prime the left for these wars, the neocons/neoliberals had undo the pacifism inherent in the western left and remake it in their war mongering violent image. Now the modern day "left" is cheering everytime some russian conscripts or civilians are killed and pushing for escalation in Ukraine that could lead to nuclear war, something that would have been unthinkable for the left a decade ago.

Maybe re the cruelty I noticed it re talking about Christianity. It used to be "coexist," "let me respectfully talk to you about why I think it's not true," and at some point it the style changed to just mostly just sortof overtly trashing Christianity.

Yeah I wonder who is overtly hostile towards Christianity, if only there was an ethno-religious group I could think of with such a track record...

Now to be fair, it isn't all the fault of hostile Jewish elites, there are likely other factors, and I think in general the left being more cruel and violence craving isnt just a symptom of Jewish manipulation, it's a symptom of zoomers in general. They tend to be much more degenerate and unthinking than previous generations, with a tendency towards bullying and hyena like mob behavior so long as they can get away with it that transcends political persuasion. Again this is likely a product of many factors, including demographic changes, dysgenics, social media, unchecked narcissism, and the breakdown of the family.

It's also been long rumored that a lot of the "dirtbag left (IE people like Vaush, Destiny or other "left wing" e-celebs, online shills, and websites), have connections to the deep state and the CIA, which itself is now likely heavily Jewfluenced and generally keen to start wars and get younger people on board for war and militarism. The military industrial complex is stronger now than ever, and has now largely coopted the left that used to speak out against it.

[–]panel30[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's informative, thanks.

I guess I was hoping to find a name for these things I could use to search for content in online encyclopedias, discussion forums, books, etc.

Like for the physical riots I can look up "blm" or "george floyd riots" on wikipedia or wikipedia clones or wherever else people talk about that, and get people's commentary or rational or whatever.

But I don't know what to search for for these. I guess I was hoping someone would say "oh yeah that's called the such-and-such approach" and then I would know and could go read what various perspectives say about it. Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_color_blindness#Criticism was informative re how things seem explicitly racialized now in a way they weren't before.

I think I also misunderstood how much the left has always been violent and cruel. Maybe it was just the particular era or location I grew up in that tended to emphasize the peace and love aspects more. Or maybe it was from how things were presented to me back in school.

[–]oligarchracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think I also misunderstood how much the left has always been violent and cruel.

The left has always been self righteous and judgemental, but the apparent widespread acceptance of violence and cruelty is relatively new, and again is probably largely a reflection of the recent masks off take no prisoners approach of the Jewish elite who police and manipulate online and media discourse, and the dumbing down and deterioration of American society in general. In the past there were radical left wing elements that could be violent, as we saw in the 60s with the weather underground and other Jewish dominated radical groups, but they weren't the mainstream. Now this kind of violent sociopathic behavior is what you see from the mainstream left.

How did you find this sub?

[–]panel30[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I also meant like in countries during communist revolution and under communist rule. They were genuinely not very nice to people as far as I understand. And some of the style even in older writing, like not just from the last decade or so, reminds me of the recent style of advocating for more compassion while also promoting cruelty towards people who do cruel or oppressive things.

I had thought that wasn't their approach: that they were big on respecting human rights, that they thought cruelty and not caring for people was wrong, etc.

How did you find this sub?

I used to read sometimes a while back.