Christian Nationalism vs Pagan Nationalism: There's Both Conflict & Common Ground.

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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Christian nationalism is just gigantic flop in the making, not even the Christians support it lol, and Pagan nationalism isn't relevant factor yet, it's nonexistent as a political ideology.

People need to stop bringing religious shit into the political realm and need to focus on material world more. There aren't that many believers out there in the first place and these fights are just D&C over fantasy worlds.

Like the description says, they want you gone regardless of your faith, this religion/philosophy stuff is useless until the main problems, which are of material character, are solved. Religious institutions just offered copium to the masses for centuries, and those days are numbered in my view.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If the religion isn't a thing, what stops you from get an high paid job and just live the most materialist life you can get? Drugs and sex are actually fun by their own. I honestly don't get how one can be nationalist and not religious, liberalism is the best system if you accept atheism.

[–]Mr9to5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Maybe it’s because my political beliefs coincided with a crisis of faith but I’ve certainly never had that hang up. I 100% see the Liberal worldview as the final product of Protestantism, manipulated and distorted by bad actors.

Flip it on it’s head and you have pretty much my credo. Why would you waste time with life shortening drugs and alcohol if you only live one life? Why wouldn’t you be as physically fit as you can be? Why wouldn’t you be tribal, so you and your group can survive and they will exist as the closest thing to your afterlife after you are gone? Why would you be politically correct, ever?

“Liberalism is the best system if you are an atheist” is unfortunately the kind of thought people have when they don’t realize how much the current state of things direct them. Take a hypothetical tribe devoid of modern liberalism where people have never felt separate from their group and have had offspring that their biological instincts tell them to care about - you won’t have to resort to the supernatural to explain a thing to them. They’ll defend, they’ll reproduce, they’ll know who they are.

Over the course of my life, I’ve passed from a childhood in goofy American Protestantism that borders on decadent (little higher values, Jesus will save, so don’t worry what you do), to teenage Odinism where I began to grow into understanding community and how I’m part of a whole, to reading Might is Right and understanding life is materialist (metaphysically) and I have to interact with the material to save my kind. Each step was more materialist (in both the metaphysical and practical sense), I see each step as a step up.

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I 100% see the Liberal worldview as the final product of Protestantism, manipulated and distorted by bad actors.

I concur. All the liberals did was give Jesus the boot, just as the Protestants dropped the pope. They never abandoned the distorted ethics, they just came up with their own interpretations of it.

Flip it on it’s head and you have pretty much my credo.

Does your creed include the principle that struggle is a necessity? Should war be encouraged and welcomed?

[–]Mr9to5 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think struggle of some kind is unavoidable to reap the reward of a good life. Ironically, the more I’ve embraced that, the better life has been. I don’t know if I’d say war should be encouraged - but if you said something like “including war by other means” (outdoing potential rivals in commerce, technology, health, etc.), I’d totally agree.

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I think struggle of some kind is unavoidable to reap the reward of a good life. Ironically, the more I’ve embraced that, the better life has been.

Agreed. The struggle principle is perfectly valid in all known, physical forms of life. The question is, whether it is necessary for development of consciousness. Like newborn human infants, freeborn animals gradually develop their consciousness by absorbing impressions from their environment. Children thrown into war don't necessarily grow up to be the best people, that only holds true for those who already had a warrior within them. Instead, it might incline them towards pacifism.

I don’t know if I’d say war should be encouraged...

"In perpetual peace, man's greatness must decline." Hitler was in favour of instigating small wars each time a decade had passed. Not internecine conflicts between Europeans obviously. Rather, a campaign directed towards the East*. This measure would've 1) stabilized the population, 2) as a incentive to produce many children, 3) as a stimulus for artists, and 4) as a constant reminder of the horrors of war. A minor natural disaster prevents a large-scale natural disaster! One is reminded of the periodical fire suppression in California: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/14/california-fire-suppression-forests-tinderbox

*However, it seems like an integration of Nordic and Slavic peoples (mainly Russians) would be better suited for our times, insofar as the latter are not fiercely nationalistic (i.e. Polish, Ukrainian) or simply foreign (Czech).

Btw I'd like to hear about your views on Hitler, what do you suppose were his religious beliefs? What do you believe "Providence" meant to him?

But if you said something like “including war by other means” (outdoing potential rivals in commerce, technology, health, etc.), I’d totally agree.

Well, judging from what I've seen in gaming, whether competition is benign depends largely on the game mode and conditions fostered by game design.

In speedrunning, competition is very wholesome, a community-driven initiative, and often results in the discovery of new skips, exploits, strats, etc. Sensible game developers should always make provisions for it and even sponsor it. But in a multiplayer environment (i.e. For Honor), competition can quickly degenerate into toxicity.