Christian Nationalism vs Pagan Nationalism: There's Both Conflict & Common Ground.

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[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If the religion isn't a thing, what stops you from get an high paid job and just live the most materialist life you can get? Drugs and sex are actually fun by their own. I honestly don't get how one can be nationalist and not religious, liberalism is the best system if you accept atheism.

[–]Mr9to5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Maybe it’s because my political beliefs coincided with a crisis of faith but I’ve certainly never had that hang up. I 100% see the Liberal worldview as the final product of Protestantism, manipulated and distorted by bad actors.

Flip it on it’s head and you have pretty much my credo. Why would you waste time with life shortening drugs and alcohol if you only live one life? Why wouldn’t you be as physically fit as you can be? Why wouldn’t you be tribal, so you and your group can survive and they will exist as the closest thing to your afterlife after you are gone? Why would you be politically correct, ever?

“Liberalism is the best system if you are an atheist” is unfortunately the kind of thought people have when they don’t realize how much the current state of things direct them. Take a hypothetical tribe devoid of modern liberalism where people have never felt separate from their group and have had offspring that their biological instincts tell them to care about - you won’t have to resort to the supernatural to explain a thing to them. They’ll defend, they’ll reproduce, they’ll know who they are.

Over the course of my life, I’ve passed from a childhood in goofy American Protestantism that borders on decadent (little higher values, Jesus will save, so don’t worry what you do), to teenage Odinism where I began to grow into understanding community and how I’m part of a whole, to reading Might is Right and understanding life is materialist (metaphysically) and I have to interact with the material to save my kind. Each step was more materialist (in both the metaphysical and practical sense), I see each step as a step up.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Protestantism is a fake and Jew religion. About the rest, makes little sense.

There are plenty of people doing everything they want, that's the point of liberalism. Do you want party and drugs? Go on. Want big money? Sure, work as tech eng. Do you want to change sex and fuck with men? No problems. You're even allowed to have a family if for some reason you prefer that to party and drugs - even if doesn't really makes sense, because if there's anything except from the material life, you only have the present in which you live, and sniffing blow is way better than dealing with a kid, but wathever. You want to exercise power? Just get into politics with the democratic party. You can hate niggers and trans, you can just lie to people. So honestly, given the absence of an afterlife, a God, a superpersonal principle, what's really keeping you from living you best purely materialist life, except from yourself and your own limitations?

Of course that doesn't apply if you believe in spirituality. You are then required to conform to higher principles, which change everything. But otherwise we are just speaking of people unable to get rich enough to fulfill their desires and now blames niggers and Jews for their own failures, not differently from the niggers that hates on white people for being poor.

[–]Mr9to5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I told you the principles and you said it didn’t make sense. The wisdom of Nature is based on investigation and experience, I know what to believe from repeated experience, the same principle by which I know multiculturalism is hell and most the things you listed are not things to want. Why not name the religion that prevents and cures this list of near universal social “ills” (I don’t even agree they are all ills) that you describe? You are keeping your premise universal to the point of obfuscation but if you name one, it starts to get very clear, very quick.

As someone who lives in a multicultural hell that still has plenty of conservatives, you show me someone being loud they’re a Trad Cath, I’ll show you someone who’s probably going to marry a Mexican because they can’t find a white woman who wants to hear about it - and they’ll be gone to Western civilization completely within a couple generations. Same with our local Evangelicals, same even to a degree with Mormons now because less and less whites are willing to join them. Non-Western religions ultimately produce absorption into other groups. There is little to no religious based premises that will not end in us no longer being us, much less that will prevent idiots from being idiots.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, this was a very interesting read.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The wisdom of Nature is based on investigation and experience, I know what to believe from repeated experience, the same principle by which I know multiculturalism is hell and most the things you listed are not things to want.

The entire point of relativism was that we eventually discovered that not everyone was living accordingly to the same standards we regarded as naturals. So you either says that this is irrelevant because we order our lives accordingly to superior principles which are not to be discussed, or you end up with trans and race mixing.