Would anybody like to do a thought experiment with me?

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[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Who do you side with? China? Russia? American Military? Local militias? Do the Chinese or Russians offer dissidents collaboration deals?

I'd side with God to let me swim for my life lmfao. I think making this out to be some ideological question is asinine, I'd run with even Israelis if it meant food and safety for my family. I don't think there are any domestic dissident groups organized enough to make a meaningful effort for or against the invaders, nor are local militias really intact enough to provide for anyone outside their members. Realistically US military remnants would be the main player at least in my locality though I wouldn't be surprised if in the chaos National Guard units started acting autonomously.

Would the US military cut a deal with the enemy?

If it's gotten to the point they can go this far what could the US possibly give them that'd make them turn back?

Would the american economy and populace be strong enough/united enough to fight if the war lasted for years?

The US military remnants would force them at gunpoint and violently purge anyone who collaborated with the enemy. Though I imagine depending on the deterioration of central command they'd devolve into disorganized looting themselves.

Where do the Jews go? Do they leave before, during or after? Or do they just stay and hope the US military 'wins'.

Depends on the class of Jew but I imagine those who know would leave asap.

What does Israel do during the attack? What does Europe and specifically the Uk do?

Retaliatory nukes and invasions though I'd assume if they had the guts to invade in that manner they had something up their sleeve that'd neutralize that.

What does Japan and India do?

Japan would rapidly develop nuclear deterrence and perhaps seek detente with China (if it hasn't already in this alternate universe). India would give terse warnings on muh nukes that don't even work. Maybe they'd send troops with the blue helmets too.

Who wins?

China if their industrial capacity remains intact. Toss-up if it's destroyed by retaliatory nukes or what have you.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wouldn't be surprised if in the chaos National Guard units started acting autonomously.

They wouldn't be guard units though they'd essentially become militias.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Would genuinely be interesting to see

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I'd side with God to let me swim for my life. I'd run with even Israelis if it meant food and safety for my family.

I find this mentality really despicable, I'm reminded of the smug individualism of the past. But that'll probably be most people's preferred course of action.

I think making this out to be some ideological question is asinine.

It's mistaken to believe WW3 would ultimately be about survival, let alone confined to racial/class hatreds. Only a war of ideologies can bring about a decisive resolution to these unresolved conflicts. Unlike the first two world wars, it will not be Pan-Nordic vs Pan-Slavic.

We're at a crossroads of destiny. For the first time in world history, the masses stand a chance of discerning between tyranny and freedom. They're slowly learning that the "freedom" envisioned by the democratic, pseudo-liberal order is a meaningless catchphrase.

The US military remnants would force them at gunpoint and violently purge anyone who collaborated with the enemy.

In WW2, the Russians shied away from executions, preferring to entrust it to Chinese, Mongolian, and Latvian soldiers. And as we all know, their commissars were typically Jewish. The Russians were mainly concerned with engaging German soldiers and didn't really stick around for looting, rape, etc.

It really depends on how much of the Asiatic element is found in these military remnants. Lately, there have been many depictions in shows and films of whites as pragmatic and not sparing their own, as a contradistinction to idealistic Asiatic heroes.

Though I imagine depending on the deterioration of central command they'd devolve into disorganized looting themselves.

Incidentally, the Russian series To the Lake depicts this scenario quite convincingly.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I find this mentality really despicable, I'm reminded of the smug individualism of the past. But that'll probably be most people's preferred course of action.

Well my point is more that you rarely really have much of a choice in these situations unless you were already involved in something in the first place. You don't get an options screen where you magically get to choose what team you're on. Pragmatism is not individualism. It's better to live to fight another day for your cause than to sacrifice yourself while gaining nothing, not even glory.

It's mistaken to believe WW3 would ultimately be about survival, let alone confined to racial/class hatreds. Only a war of ideologies can bring about a decisive resolution to these unresolved conflicts. Unlike the first two world wars, it will not be Pan-Nordic vs Pan-Slavic.

In the scenario that this happens in 6 months, any ideological question is not ours to decide. If you're talking about something within a decade or two I'd agree with you to an extent, at least that you have to attempt to build some sort of alternative that could replace the current order.

It really depends on how much of the Asiatic element is found in these military remnants. Lately, there have been many depictions in shows and films of whites as pragmatic and not sparing their own, as a contradistinction to idealistic Asiatic heroes.

Well the US forces has a large contingent of hispanics, mulattoes, and native americans that they're much more likely to use on domestic soil.

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Well my point is more that you rarely really have much of a choice in these situations unless you were already involved in something in the first place.

There is always a choice presented in these situations. To say otherwise is to absolve oneself of responsibility.

If you're compelled to work for the enemy, there's still a lot of good you can do in their midst.

In the scenario that this happens in 6 months, any ideological question is not ours to decide.

What is important above all is to know the distinction between good and evil, the failure to do so is the cause of confusion.

Besides, 6 months is plenty of time to get the facts straight. In fact, that's how long it took for me to wean myself off of Christianity.

It's better to live to fight another day for your cause than to sacrifice yourself while gaining nothing, not even glory.

A fair point, perfectly in line with the Nordic pov (i.e. Edda), but it still sounds like a convenient excuse. Hitler once quoted from the Edda (paraphrased): in the end, there is only death and the glory of deeds.

If you were in Colonel General Paulus' shoes, what would you have done?

Pragmatism is not individualism.

If the individual puts his and family's interests before the nation, that's pragmatic.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you're compelled to work for the enemy, there's still a lot of good you can do in their midst

Not denying that ofc, I'm just saying the idea of picking and choosing a team isn't so clear cut in real situations, especially immediately.

Besides, 6 months is plenty of time to get the facts straight. In fact, that's how long it took for me to wean myself off of Christianity.

Getting the facts straight in your head is a totally different scenario than exerting that onto the world. Good job on doing that though.

If you were in Colonel General Paulus' shoes, what would you have done?

You could argue he did considerable amount for his race in his capacity in Eastern Germany, things that wouldn't have been accomplished had he committed suicide. However I think him acting as a witness at Nuremberg and his statement on German prisoners were despicable. I think the moral standing of what he did is worse given who and what he was fighting for before capture. This would be different for a civilian getting caught up in a war.

If the individual puts his and family's interests before the nation, that's pragmatic.

Is betrayal of shadowy forces in Washington or wherever your current state is based the same as the betrayal of your people?