Would anybody like to do a thought experiment with me?

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Well my point is more that you rarely really have much of a choice in these situations unless you were already involved in something in the first place.

There is always a choice presented in these situations. To say otherwise is to absolve oneself of responsibility.

If you're compelled to work for the enemy, there's still a lot of good you can do in their midst.

In the scenario that this happens in 6 months, any ideological question is not ours to decide.

What is important above all is to know the distinction between good and evil, the failure to do so is the cause of confusion.

Besides, 6 months is plenty of time to get the facts straight. In fact, that's how long it took for me to wean myself off of Christianity.

It's better to live to fight another day for your cause than to sacrifice yourself while gaining nothing, not even glory.

A fair point, perfectly in line with the Nordic pov (i.e. Edda), but it still sounds like a convenient excuse. Hitler once quoted from the Edda (paraphrased): in the end, there is only death and the glory of deeds.

If you were in Colonel General Paulus' shoes, what would you have done?

Pragmatism is not individualism.

If the individual puts his and family's interests before the nation, that's pragmatic.

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If you're compelled to work for the enemy, there's still a lot of good you can do in their midst

Not denying that ofc, I'm just saying the idea of picking and choosing a team isn't so clear cut in real situations, especially immediately.

Besides, 6 months is plenty of time to get the facts straight. In fact, that's how long it took for me to wean myself off of Christianity.

Getting the facts straight in your head is a totally different scenario than exerting that onto the world. Good job on doing that though.

If you were in Colonel General Paulus' shoes, what would you have done?

You could argue he did considerable amount for his race in his capacity in Eastern Germany, things that wouldn't have been accomplished had he committed suicide. However I think him acting as a witness at Nuremberg and his statement on German prisoners were despicable. I think the moral standing of what he did is worse given who and what he was fighting for before capture. This would be different for a civilian getting caught up in a war.

If the individual puts his and family's interests before the nation, that's pragmatic.

Is betrayal of shadowy forces in Washington or wherever your current state is based the same as the betrayal of your people?