Does anyone know anything about the specific level of influence WNs have in the Russian army?

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[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

I think that white nationalists, or nationalists at all, have very little in place both in Russian army and in Russia itself. They don't seem to think along those lines at the moment and those terms have, anyway, a very different meaning for them. Nazism, for example, is mostly linked to anti-russian feelings, and nationalism is a liberal and libertine ideology that promotes mostly capitalism, gay sex and drugs. There may be a few white nationalists among the most westernised people, but I don't think it's prevalent at all.

Likely, the most common thing that you will find related to white nationalism is about the defence and the supremacy of the Russian language and the orthodox church.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Well then would these various images of Russian soldiers/mercenaries with NS insignia and ideology be small outliers? Or is it more the norm than western observers think? It's a question worth asking, especially considering the military will likely play a role during the chaos after Putin dies.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What is motivating you to help white nationalists? Are you nationalistic about your own people?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What is motivating you to help white nationalists?

Destruction of Jewish power and the American empire is a boon to all.

Are you nationalistic about your own people?

I'm nationalistic about the people who historically progressed and maintained my civilization/culture.

[–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well, not blacks. But destruction of negrolatry is also a boon.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Honestly I think nignogs are fundamentally much happier leading tribal lifestyles with clan structures than they are trying to put a suit on and larp as western capitalists. So yes, even them.

[–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're much more optimistic than I am

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well I don't know that they're smart enough to realize they're better off without them

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That is not true. Russia is very nationalist and prior to Putin the nation was filled with far right groups.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well, I'm not a Russian expert myself, so I may be totally wrong. But it seems to me that there is a strong insistence about the fact that Russia is not nationalist but patriotic, for example. I read that several self proclaimed nationalist went to fight against Russia for Ukraine. And so on. Also, I mean, the liberal democratic party (that the Wikipedia page claims "it's not liberal, nor democratic, nor a party) exposes most of the tropes usually associated with white nationalism. On the other hand, Russian have access to internet so they probably take part in the global WN culture if they are really committed to that, but I don't think that those are particularly common.

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    [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I don't think the Russian nationalists are similar to our western nationalists anyway. They seems to be very much liberal and libertarian.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That's ridiculous a huge amount of the activism they do is beating drug addicts and perverts to death.

    [–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think you are just looking at the wrong kind of nationalists. There are right wing nationalists in Russia, just like there are anywhere else. They also have liberal and left wing nationalists, however, who with some exceptions are not really nationalists at all. The LDPR is a special case and has nothing to do with liberalism or democracy.