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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ventured over to leftist space, here's the data they often cite to show that immigration DOESN'T hurt wages much:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w12497.pdf National Bureau of Economic Research paper on the effects immigration has on wages in the United States Study contends previous analyses on the relationship between immigration and wages falsely assumed perfect labor substitutability between immigrants and native workers of similar education levels, distorting results Research shows average American wage RISES due to immigration, both short-term and long-term Only native demographic whose wages drop are High School dropouts who suffer a decrease in wages of approximately ~2% short-term, alleviating to ~1.1% over time. Study finds new immigration does severely impact wages of prior immigrants, suggesting lack of substitutability with *natives. Overall, vast majority of American workers’ wages increase from immigration, High School dropouts (<10% of population) experience a slight decrease which alleviates with time (and there is evidence that immigration may increase native High School graduation rates, too).

https://sci-hub.do/10.1016/j.labeco.2014.05.002 Similar research to the above paper, except conducted on the French labor market. Findings are near-identical; immigration leads to across-the-board wage increases for all except a small minority of low-education native workers. Reaffirms conclusion that there is low substitutability between native workers and immigrant workers.

http://davidcard.berkeley.edu/papers/mariel-impact.pdf Famous research on the Mariel Boatlift and the impact of a wave of Cuban immigrants (mostly low-skilled) on the economy of Miami. Research found essentially no impact on native wages, even for low-skilled workers, despite the Mariel Boatlift increasing Miami’s labor force by seven percent. Even former Cuban immigrants didn’t seem to be affected.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nosetribe say everyone getting richer, then why grug can't afford cave but grug's father could?

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I linked this earlier, it's worth reading in full, re: Canada and the net economic effects of immigration. A person's net economic impact isn't simply their wage as they also consume social welfare benefits.

https://williamgairdner.ca/is-the-economy-a-good-reason-for-immigration/

To conclude: a recent study by economist Herbert Grubel of Simon Fraser University revealed that the 2.5 million immigrants who came to Canada between 1990 and 2002 received $18.3 billion more in government services and benefits in the year 2002 alone than they paid in taxes for that year! Grubel stated that this amount was more than the federal government contributed to health care in 2000-2001, and more than twice what it spent on defence.

Overall, vast majority of American workers’ wages increase from immigration, High School dropouts (<10% of population) experience a slight decrease which alleviates with time (and there is evidence that immigration may increase native High School graduation rates, too).

Would this have to do with changing standards to accommodate an influx of lower performing students?

Borjas' reply to Mariel boatlift

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/gborjas/files/ilrr2017.pdf

Given that at least 60% of the Marielitos were high school dropouts, this article specifically examines the wage impact for this low-skill group. This analysis overturns the prior finding that the Mariel boatlift did not affect Miami’s wage structure. The wage of high school dropouts in Miami dropped dramatically, by 10 to 30%, suggesting an elasticity of wages with respect to the number of workers between -0.5 and -1.5.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't care. If immigration from the Third World increased wages 3000% I still would be against it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, but that's what I'm saying. You say "if" but is it best to abandon the economic argument or not?