Putin lost 5 generals?

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[–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

Russia is believed to have deployed twenty generals into Ukraine, which indicates a very different leadership style from, say, America.

1. Pravda reports the death of one Maj-Gen Sukhovetsky. It does not report the cause of death.

https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150554-russian_general/

Western sources claim he was killed by a sniper, but seem totally unsure of exactly where he was killed. Some claim he was killed near Mariupol, others claim he was killed near Kiev, i.e. near two opposite ends of the country.

2. Russian sources have not reported the death of Maj-Gen Gerasimov. Only Western sources (including The Guardian, The Independent, The Telegraph) are making this claim. CNN claims it was unable to confirm his death. The rumours of his death come from allegedly intercepted transmissions which speak of a deceased 'Gerasimov'. However, it is believed that it might be a different, lower-ranking man.

3. Russian sources have not reported the death of Maj-Gen Kolesnikov. Only Western sources (including France 24) are making this claim.

4. Russian sources have not reported the death of Maj-Gen Mityaev. Only Western sources (including The Daily Beast, The Times) are making this claim. A photo, supposedly of his corpse, was released by the Ukrainian Interior Ministry.

5. Russian sources have not reported the death of Lt-Gen Mordvichev. Only Western sources (including Newsweek) are making this claim.

There is also a sixth which has been particularly disputed to the extent that even the Western media won't accept it. A Chechen, Maj-Gen Tushayev. However, Chechen media was reported to be broadcasting Tushayev explicitly denying his death on video around two weeks after it was first reported.

Only one Russian general has probably actually been killed, since I doubt that Russia itself would be mistaken about their own generals' statuses or have reason to lie about his death when it clearly disbenefits them to even admit it. The other five are entirely claims by the Ukrainian government passed on to Western media outlets.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

when it clearly disbenefits them to admit it.

Why's that?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

US reports indicate that Ukraine snipers picked off generals who had to put themselves in harms-way because their own soldiers will not take the initiative to do so. Admitting to the deaths of the generals would indicate that their own soldiers are not appropriatly protecting them, that Russian soldiers aren't fully committed to slaughtering innocent civilians, and their extended Russian families in Ukraine. Hence mercenaries have been welcomed by Russia to fight for them.

[–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

This is simply your typical fake news, filter bubble, misinformation, mediatization-influenced perspective. You make one wide, sweeping statement, address no specific cases and provide no sources for that wide, sweeping statement. If you actually had the sense to look into each individual case as I clearly did above, most of them weren't even purported to have been killed by 'snipers' like you claim. If you're some kind of academic or teacher... well, no wonder the world's a mess.

Also, just to remind people of your ilk of how far away from reality your perspectives on this matter (as with all matters) actually are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_engagements_during_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

13 Russian victories;

2 Ukrainian victories

But, you know, Ukraine is totally winning, right?

I'm not sure why you bring 'mercenaries' into this when the Ukraine is doing the exact same thing with the calls for establishing an 'international brigade' plus much extra: arming civilians, imploring civilians to make improvised weapons, releasing and arming their prison populations and otherwise resorting to actions that can only be those of a desperate, losing regime.

Are these videos 'fake news' or 'Russian propaganda'? Because if they aren't, it sure isn't looking good for NATO and EU bootlickers:

https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/222222.mp4

https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/222-2-1.mp4

[–]jostiniane 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

socks is retarded living in a bubble..

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I only mentioned that the US reported it. Read here:

https://saidit.net/s/news/comments/91op/gen_david_petraeus_explains_why_russian_generals/

I didn't imply that Ukraine winning anything. Putin will continue war crimes against innocent Ukrainians. There's nothing redeemable in any of it, and it won't end with Ukraine. So many cowards do not oppose this slaughter and destruction.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By the way - more info on the second recording here:

https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/222-2-1.mp4

You know why the Ukrainians were pissed off? Reports (onconfirmed, but got as far as BBC) indicate that British soldiers in those barracks brought their personal phones (like this chap has his personal phone) and the Russians easily tracked the phones to the barracks locations, and of course bombed the barracks. Those Brits died and many others were told to GTFO (because they endangered the other soldiers, with their personal phones). The bombed barracks had an estimated 80 soldiers. On the day this happened, the main official message from Ukraine was mainly (without further details): PLEASE DO NOT COME TO UKRAINE UNLESS YOU ARE APPROPRIATELY TRAINED SOLDIERS (ie. with the knowledge NOT to bring your personal phone, FFS). An estimated 20,000 volunteers have gone to Ukraine to fight. That barracks bombing was a huge setback for Ukraine, and there is no way they will tell that American with his personal phone anything other than, GTFO or we'll shoot you in the back. Thank you, however, for those two videos, as they remind me of those recent reports. And of course much of this information is raw and not easy to confirm. But we are getting more circumstantial evidence regularly.

[–]asterias 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

US reports

Not the most credible source. And certainly not any better than its Russian equivalent.

[–]jostiniane 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

History taught us to never trust US reports again.. Remember when they killed 1.2 million Iraqi civilian over a US report which turned out to be false.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

My point is that: I merely noted what they said. That's it. Do I have to post a credibility report with everything I write? Certainly not on fucking DAR

[–]asterias 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

"fucking DAR" gives you the opportunity to say what you say despite everyone on Saidit having arrived to the conclusion that you are a bad faith actor.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

awe... what are you, 12?

[–]asterias 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

awe... what are you, 12?

Thanks for proving my point. You referred to US sources, which have as much reason to spread disinformation as the Russian ones. US agencies spend millions on influencing people and it's no secret. And your response is to complain about the quality of DAR, which drops thanks to you.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Saying that all sources are equally unreliable is just dumb, and gets us nowhere. You can get access to the raw info and decide for yourself. Also, some videos here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage (and those users try to admit what they don't know) (AND I am rarely at DAR, - perhaps once a month. Stop whining and contribute something if you have something to contribute, FFS. DAR doesn't like weaklings.)

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    meh - just reading typical bad faith responses in DAR, to my helpful comment.... It's not like anyone here checks the credibility of anything.