The western propagada campaign in regards to the Ukraine war is insane

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[–]NeoRail 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

It's like we're watching two different wars. There's the ghost of Kiev, the snake island spartans, the Il-78s full of 100s of paratroopers being shot down, Russia losing 20 aircraft and 700 APCs...its insane.

In my opinion, the biggest contrast can be seen in how Western media pitch this as some sort of Soviet Union-style people's war in which the whole nation is rising up to fight the invaders, whereas Russian sources claim that the arming of civilians has resulted in pure chaos, looting, murder and even friendly fire between the army and the citizens due to the lack of training and coordination. These are two radically contradictory accounts. It's obvious that there is some form of extensive, deliberate disinformation.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

The Russian narrative is the true one. Ukrainians are fighting and looting each other in Kiev. The regime handed out 25,000 AKs and 10 million rounds of ammo to random civilians. They even armed criminals in exchange for pardons. Small wonder there's mayhem in the city.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

The Russian invasion aside, I feel like having 25 000 anonymous men armed with military hardware is a very serious problem, and I am not sure how the Ukrainian government plans to deal with that. It seems to me like an extremely short-sighted measure.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

They'll just blame all the chaos on Russia. Don't forget the current ZOG regime in Ukraine doesn't give a shit about the country or its people.

[–]NeoRail 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

It is honestly a bit surprising to me how apparently genuine Ukrainian nationalists like the Klitschkos can go along with this. There are a lot of genuine people involved in the Ukrainian regime, but for some reason they don't seem to realise or care that this is not a war that can be won, and that protracting and radicalising it can only make things worse.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They are punch drunk jocks, you really expect them to understand these kind of machiavellian shenanigans? Even if they did understand it they still are kind of forced into doing this for pride and honor, which the Jews manipulating them are all to happy to use for their own ends by goading them and other Ukrainians into suicidal acts.

Zelensky on the other hand isnt in any real danger, and he knows this, despite all his drama queen theatrics about being Moscows number 1 target. Putin likely has no interest in killing him, quite the opposite, and if Ukraine falls he will either be rushed away to do a western media tour, or the worst case scenario will spend a little time in captivity to increase his street cred before being released.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

protracting and radicalising it can only make things worse

Draining American and Russian ZOG simultaneously sounds like a good time to me

[–]NeoRail 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think the material cost would be too great to either America or Russia, but a protracted conflict could cost quite a lot of Ukrainian lives, and I would rather that not happen. It would be meaningless and wasteful.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

How is Russia a part of ZOG?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Until recently they were privileged members of international institutions, accepted most tenets of post-ww2 ideology, allied strongly with Israel, criminalizes nationalism and holohoax facts, etc. However as Russia doesn't give open access of their media and political process to outside actors they're beginning to be considered unwelcome in the current world order. ZOG would consider Russia and China vestigial organs that should be excised lest they become infected by other ideologies than neoliberalism.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Russia is the biggest reason why Assad is still in power. ZOG wanted him gone.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes but that doesn't absolve them of their role in ZOG narratives historically, it does show that they're starting to play that role of an infected limb that harms the main body of ZOG.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

accepted most tenets of post-ww2 ideology

They still do, Putin seems to have a weird obsession with World War 2. His new military cathedral was even built with symbolic achitectural dimensions to include the number 1945. It's very strange.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I mean America still builds Holocaust memorials on every street so it's not like he's the only weird one really. I suppose he sees the founding myth of the modern Russian state to be their "Great Patriotic War" rather than the Bolshevik Revolutions.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Hopefully the weapons trickle down through the West and reduce stability

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The neocons are hoping for a mass insurgency when/as Ukraine falls. That was the point of this. They could care less about Ukrainian lives obviously, and figure the more dead white people the better so long as Putin can be blamed. Jews seem to have been largely evacuated to Israel before and immediately as all this kicked off, and those are the only lives they care about.