Thoughts on the Trucker Convoy?

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[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The clot shot is explicitly political

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Before Covid, the only people I knew who were actively fighting against medicine were the Jehovah's Witnesses. And their reasons for doing so was steeped in biblical fanaticism instead of any real science (i.e , they exaggerated the dangers of blood transfusions, and even when all other options were tried, they seriously believed in pushing suicide before taking an operation).

So I'm not surprised that after these last 2 years, the only people who again made medicine political, were doing it for hyped up and clownish reasons.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's a shot that prevents neither contraction nor transmission of covid while causing a disproportionate amount of death and injury compared to all previous vaccines. How exactly is that effective medicine? And why should it be mandated? Easy for boomers to force it when it's young men getting heart attacks.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You had 1 year to show any kind of photographic evidence of vaccinated bodies being dumped in a ditch. 1 Year.

You know what? I just realized the antivax are just like Jews. I knew I heard the same fairytale before...

"Oy vey, the Holocaust killed gorrillions of my people!"

"What's that? You want to see the bodies? Stop being so antisemitic!"

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's literally public information

https://howbad.info/pfizer.html

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's literally public information

So why can't you show me a dead body then?

The fact that you pick a blog post over raw evidence is a testament to why this movement fails.

What's even more bizarre, is that a better source should have been a professional Mortician. Since these are the people who are responsible for writing death certificates. But the consensus overwhelmingly shows no reports of mass vaccinated victims being buried anywhere.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/29/instagram-posts/no-evidence-post-about-funeral-directors-seeing-de/

We’ve fact-checked several claims about the vaccines themselves causing deaths and found them to be unsupported. These claims typically cite numbers from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, a federal database that collects reports of adverse events, including deaths, that occur after vaccination. But the government agencies that run the database caution that the reports are unverified and can't be used on their own to determine whether a vaccine caused an adverse event.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So somehow right wing extremist doctors are going through tons of paperwork to write out bogus VAERS reports to discredit the vaccine? I think the elevated amount of reports compared to any previous vaccine, contrasted with its lack of effectiveness, condemns any mandate for these shots. And I'm saying that as someone who's been vaccinated already so I don't benefit from the mandates going away.

Not to mention unironically using politifact lmfao.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So somehow right wing extremist doctors are going through tons of paperwork to write out bogus VAERS reports to discredit the vaccine?

According to the CDC, anyone can submit a report.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/reportingaes.html#

CDC and FDA encourage anyone who experiences (or is made aware) of an adverse event after vaccination to report it to VAERS, even if they are not sure the vaccine caused the problem:

So it's not substantiated proof. Only a dead body is.

I think the elevated amount of reports compared to any previous vaccine, contrasted with its lack of effectiveness, condemns any mandate for these shots. And I'm saying that as someone who's been vaccinated already so I don't benefit from the mandates going away.

If you don't like mandates, you're free to find a new job. Anyone can refuse the vaccine, just be aware that your actions carries consequences.

Especially since vaccines are proven to stop ICU's from being overloaded. That's why they're not going away.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Especially since vaccines are proven to stop ICU's from being overloaded.

Why don't comparatively unvaccinated countries have higher hospitalization or death rates

If you don't like mandates, you're free to find a new job. Anyone can refuse the vaccine, just be aware that your actions carries consequences.

Why are you defending it this hard?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why don't comparatively unvaccinated countries have higher hospitalization or death rates

A variety of reasons. What is their lockdown status? Is the population mostly rural or urban? Do the people wear masks or social distancing?

However, it's wrong to say they don't have higher deaths/hospitalization. India at its peak had way higher deaths last year when Modi let the religious festivals go on before his country had manufactured its own vaccines. The USA overwhelmingly had more deaths when Trump was posting conspiracy after conspiracy about the virus vs, when Biden took office and told people the virus was real.

The last 2 years served as litmus test for which side had the better data and quite frankly, the conspiracy antivax nuts killed more people intentionally or not.

Why are you defending it this hard?

I believe in ending restrictions but ONLY for the vaccinated. Non-vax people should be forced to pay a tax the same way buying cigarettes are expensive and banned from smoking indoors. Without regulation, unhealthy habits will destroy our healthcare system because the money to pay for all this stuff doesn't magically exist.