Has the Bell Curve ruined anyone elses enjoyment of life?

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

ill take the all high IQ group over the all-white group

It's not about who you like to hang out with. It's about who builds better societies. An all high IQ multi racial society isn't going to be as utopian as you think it will be.

[–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I wasn't very clear there.

I don't think high IQ multiracial as the basis of a society would be a utopia at all, just slightly preferable to a society based completely around being white.

I would want to live in a society where people share my ideas about how the social contracts and economy should be arranged, e.g. those who are similar to me in ideology. If that society was multi-racial or mono-racial wouldn't matter that much to me.

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    [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

    You have the right to your opinion. The macaroni is the most beautiful and attractive noodle and its unique phenotype must be preserved. I don't see how statements like these not based in facts or even cohesive theory are adding to a discussion or likely to help someone understand where you are coming from.

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      [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Appreciate the effort you guys have made to explain this to me as a non-alt-righter. I did not grasp the nuance on you guys position, but I understand where you guys are coming from now.

      I don't know that w'ell ever share ideology, but I think it's important to understand where people are coming. Appreciate the discussion.

      [–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Educate me on this. While ethnonationalism defines nations as having a shared ethnicity and heritage, I don't see how this connects to preserving global genetic diversity. I can see an ethnonationalist arguing that people are best in their own nations, but not that they'd be concerned about what happens between outsider nations.

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Look up the work of Satoshi Kanazawa.

      [–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Appreciate the good faith dialogue. Looks like Kanazawa does credibly discuss 'objective attractiveness', I can understand the way he is using the term. I can see he makes the claim specifically that Black people are 'objectively' considered less attractive by some measurable standard. I see what you are getting at here, and note your point - however, this doesn't quite support the 'white people are the most attractive race' stuff that other guy was saying. I highly doubt Kanazawa with an obviously Japanese name would support that sentiment

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      I don't think it's really a matter of objectively ranking the races though I brought him up because it was the topic under discussion.

      Even if Whites were the ugliest and stupidest people on Earth I'd still want to preserve them. It's human bio diversity and it's prescious. Obviously we're neither of those things but ultimately it's something most on the DR want to preserve for many reasons probably as simple as me wanting the Willy Wag Tail bird to be preserved. It's one expression of the beauty of nature and to lose it would be a tragedy. Same for White people.

      I highly doubt Kanazawa with an obviously Japanese name would support that sentiment

      Quite telling that you actually think his ethnicity would affect his scientific outcomes. What a bizarre thing to say.

      [–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I think that's a reasonable take i can understand, I have no problem with preserving biodiversity.

      Its not so much I think his ethnicity would determine the outcome of his research per se, but often when I have heard arguments about racial or cultural superiority, the person making the argument, scientist or otherwise is usually a member of the supposedly superior group. I don't think it's that bizarre to assume some inherent bias often exists

      [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I have heard arguments about racial or cultural superiority, the person making the argument, scientist or otherwise is usually a member of the supposedly superior group.

      Funnily enough the people who taught me the undeniable fact that NE Asians on avg are more intelligent as a race than Whites were all Whites themselves. Maybe you've just been reading the wrong people.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      yeah most asians are pretty low IQ. Here in western countries we see chinese immigrants and they tend to be smart, they're the people that were smart enough to get out of their hellhole country. Or they had rich parents who sent them to good colleges in the west. They're the top 1% but they don't represent all. If chinese had high IQs they wouldn't be so easy to brainwash and control.

      [–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I would want to live in a society where people share my ideas about how the social contracts and economy should be arranged, e.g. those who are similar to me in ideology. If that society was multi-racial or mono-racial wouldn't matter that much to me.

      You generally don't pick and choose who get's to live in real world societies, you deal with the reality of group (racial) averages. Anyone can construct some theoretical society full of people who have XYZ qualities or ideology but that's a largely useless exercise except as ideological masturbation.

      Libertarians putting ideology over reality is mostly why it's been a useless movement outside of furthering the interests of capital.

      [–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I'll admit to being somewhat of an idealist. But I think the real world can have aspects of what I am talking about - For example, liberals like to congregate in San Francisco - they arent all libs, but they are overrepresented. I think people often move to states where the prevailing ideology matches their own.

      I realize society doesn't work quite the way I was talking about, but I was talking about a very idealized situation - I was saying IF I could choose the composition of my society, thats what it what it would look like. Someone else had said their ideal society looked all White, I'm saying my ideal society is a bunch of people who are socially libertarian and economically left. I realize I um very unlikely to ever live in such a society.

      Honestly, I think I have gained some understanding of you guy's positions. I have had a few members explain ethnonationalism to me in terms of preserving genetic diversity, and I can at least understand where you are all coming from there. I know we won't agree on many things, but I do think it's possible for us to empathize and understand each other even if we share different ideas about what would make the world better.

      Anyway's, appreciate the discussion, and you guys taking the effort to engage with me, even though I am not a member of your ideological group.