Aussie lights himself on fire over vax mandate

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[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

2020: I didn't see any mass deaths from the first vaccines

How many people were vaccinated in 2020? The numbers must have been quite small, since the major rollout didn't happen until 2021.

2021: I didn't see any mass deaths from vaccines now that they're out globally

You didn't see any mass deaths? What, are you blind? The VAERS database by the CDC records 19,249 deaths and 30,967 permanent disabilitys from the covid vaccine (as of 11/29/2021). So just in the U.S. alone, there have been more deaths from these vaccines than from all other vaccines COMBINED.

And again, thats just according to official estimates. If you consider the fact that VAERS accounts for only 1% of vaccine injuries, then the true death toll could be much higher.

But 2022 is suppose to be different this time, right?

We've already established that there were mass deaths in 2021, even if you just focus on the U.S. alone (rather than all countrys where the vaccination campaign is underway). So your qualifier about 'different' is suspect.

Another year is going to roll by and I bet you're going to look foolish again.

The only fool here is you, ignoring tens of thousands of deaths from the vaccines, and arguing for the vaccination campaign to continue on.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Nope, sorry dude but it's nothing but moving goal posts with you.

"It didn't count in 2020 because the numbers were too small!"

"But somehow I can predict with 100% accuracy that it's going to kill more people in the future!"

By the way, I also know you love spouting VAERS like it's gospel, but my own country produced a year long report and found only 8 people had reportedly died of vaccination and even the conditions are still subjective (i.e the majority of the 8 people were senior citizens who had suffered another illness at the time). In a province of 14.57 million people, that's absolutely nothing.

There are eight reports of death temporally associated with receipt of COVID-19 vaccine that met the provincial surveillance definition. Reports of death that meet the provincial case definition are events temporally associated with vaccine that have not been clearly attributed to other causes; these reports should not be interpreted as causally related with vaccine. The reports of deaths are as follows:

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-aefi-report.pdf?sc_lang=en

Once again, it's the exact same Y2K paranoia and schizo posting on repeat.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Nope, sorry dude but it's nothing but moving goal posts with you.

How about no?

"It didn't count in 2020 because the numbers were too small!"

You were asked a direct question: How many people were vaccinated in 2020? If there were not millions of people being vaccinated at that time (which there weren't), then we would not expect to see mass deaths. Especially not when you consider that vaccinations didn't even begin until December 2020! Your argument is complete horseshit.

"But somehow I can predict with 100% accuracy that it's going to kill more people in the future!"

Based on the number of people who have been injured and killed by the vaccines, its not unrealistic to expect that there will be more deaths in 2022. And who the fuck said anything about predicting it with 100% accuracy? You can shove that strawman right up your ass.

By the way, I also know you love spouting VAERS like it's gospel

Hmm, what do we have here? Looks like someone is trying to 'shift the goalposts', and ignore data that contradicts their story. Tens of thousands of injurys and deaths from the vaccines really don't do you any favours.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

If there were not millions of people being vaccinated at that time (which there weren't), then we would not expect to see mass deaths.

Except the vaccines did not just appear out of thin air. There where in fact many trials conducted before December 2020, including those who had already been given a second dose.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

But once again, antivax never did their research and just clung to shitty buzzwords and bad anecdotes.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

To repeat:

You were asked a direct question: How many people were vaccinated in 2020?

Answer this question.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No use trying to debate this schill. Instead, encourage him to get boosted!

Radicalcentrist, have you had your booster and if not, why?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's not a question, that's manipulation for not having any evidence the vaccines were based on killing everyone in mass.

[–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

To repeat:

If there were not millions of people being vaccinated at that time (which there weren't), then we would not expect to see mass deaths.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There is no significance behind a million people being vaccinated. That's why you look foolish.

The same medicine had to undergo trials throughout 2020. And it's still the same one being used today.

There still could have been mass deaths. The Pfizer document literally says they even had people who survived the 1st shot, get the 2nd in the same year (2020). How do you explain that?

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There is no significance behind a million people being vaccinated. That's why you look foolish.

You only expose your own ignorance here. Particularly of statistics.

At this point, 73% of the U.S. population has been vaccinated, thats roughly 243 million people. We now know that there have been at least 45,000 deaths that can be attributed to complications from the vaccines. That means that the odds of DYING from the vaccine are roughly 1 in 5400.

If there were a similar death rate with the vaccines in December 2020, then you would need about 1 million people being vaccinated to produce a statistically significant death toll.

The same medicine had to undergo trials throughout 2020. And it's still the same one being used today.

Wow, you really are a moron. 1 year of trials is NOTHING compared to what most vaccines have to undergo before they are approved for public use. We know that the trials for the vaccines were actually manipulated, and that the animal trials failed spectacularly. Don't try to spew your MSM bullshit here.

The Pfizer document literally says they even had people who survived the 1st shot, get the 2nd in the same year (2020). How do you explain that?

What part of that requires an explaination? Your ignorance of statistics is showing again.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Notice how Racicalcentrist never responded about the booster? I asked him here and in another part of the thread. He didn't respond to either post with an answer to that question. I'm going to go out on a limb and say his refusal to answer whether or not he's been boosted and if not, why, is more than enough proof that he's a vaxx-schill.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At this point, 73% of the U.S. population has been vaccinated, thats roughly 243 million people. We now know that there have been at least 45,000 deaths that can be attributed to complications from the vaccines. That means that the odds of DYING from the vaccine are roughly 1 in 5400.

This is fake news.

There's been 496 million doses, with only 10,688 reported deaths or 0.0022% (but it doesn't necessarily mean the vaccine caused them).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 496 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through December 20, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 10,688 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records.

Considering the Ontario Canada numbers I also shared (which had 14.5 million people living there), there's no reason to believe the Americans are more deadlier.

Wow, you really are a moron. 1 year of trials is NOTHING compared to what most vaccines have to undergo before they are approved for public use.

Except these vaccines have been approved.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

And considering we're in a global pandemic, the scale and budget of these trials is unprecedented.

Only a complete moron would actually believe we would have a vaccine ready after a major pandemic. Did you also think polio vaccine wouldn't be ready until all the victims were dead too?

What part of that requires an explaination? Your ignorance of statistics is showing again.

If people already outlived the first dose to receive their second, then it instantly debunks the "multi-vaccinations will kill you" conspiracy.