It's the same playbook everywhere.....

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[–]Agni777[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

My family is a group called Jatts. Some are Sikhs and most others are Hindu. No issues between them. I say I’m Hindu but I visit more Sikh places than Hindu ones. A lot of poor relatives are converting to Christianity to avail benefits that the church offers.

It’s not clear to me either how castes were defined. The Jatts were historically agriculturists, some say from Central Asia but I doubt that. Somehow, someplace britishers decided they were a martial race. This makes Jatts large part of the army which is the only pension paying job of the time. A lot of convenient mythology followed this classification. I suspect similar social engineering was done to create new caste groups by British for the case of Dravidian and many so called Brahmins groups as well.

So I have distant family members who fought in both World War I and World War II on the side of the British. One family member also fought for Japanese after losing to them as part of the British Indian navy.

I’m an Indian, and a nationalist. I do think Abrahamic religions, especially Roman Catholic Church and Arabian Islam are a bad things for any local identity. They are fundamentally inclined to expand as a global force and disregard nations.

So in the 3 Christian majority north eastern states, if you ask someone when did you convert to Christianity, they will say in the last 50 years. If you ask why, They will say that the reason they converted is that a lot of bad practices of killing people and cutting of their heads used to happen and can’t Christianity addressed that. Now, by historical records, there are tribal conflicts but I really don’t could not find any history of cutting heads or stuff like that. It’s pure fiction to convict all of them and their culture of a fictional if not exaggerated crime and then offer your cult as potential salvation.

Similarly in the south and north India, the church says that caste is a big problem and hence encourages conversion to combat that. The funny since the church converts people on castes, the caste I identity becomes more much stronger among converted groups.

When people say things like Zapotec civilization of MesoAmerica used to kill babies, I have my suspicions about how true that is. I would like to know how different Europeans groups all got converted and I suspect that is a violent history as well where innocent people were made to feel guilty of a crime they did not commit.

When I came to America, church groups were the first people in my life that asked me about my caste openly. I later learnt that An south Indian pastor in the church adjacent to university keeps telling them about how tragic his family experienced caste based discrimination in south India. As far as I can see it’s bullcrap, but a lot of young white/black kids then go to India to help the poor caste discriminated folk in turn encouraging them to convert. This is one of the best university’s in the country and someone coming from there to rural India gets a lot of unnecessary clout.

About church and immigration it makes sense to me why they want to support it. Most white people are if not already, trying to be secular. Very few sincerely believe church beyond the 20s or so. The illegal immigrant from South America is far more religious and the newly arrived North African is more keen to convert and come to Sunday mass than the native white population.

I don’t know about the machete thing. India is a large country. In large countries to an extent everything and it’s opposite both can be true at the same time.

And yes most elite media is disproportionately upper caste. But I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. They were first groups to learn English and that’s a significant advantage in the country. What suprises me is how eager these woke these upper castes really are. Just like most of Trumps virulent opposition is a liberal white man, the same for Modi. His most virulent opposition is a upper caste English speaking person

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My family is a group called Jatts.

Got it. I dated a girl in college whose family owned a restaurant. She was Sikh and her family was from the Punjab region. She was a cool person, always very positive and full of life. I quickly felt bad dating and eventually let her go because she was supposed to have an arranged marriage and I felt shitty potentially messing up her families traditions.

It looks like the Jat people have such a strong identity due to old blood laws:

The status of being a Jat is defined by the Jat blood (DNA) of the Father and mother of the offspring (Children). The Scythians warriors that invaded the Haryana & Punjab region and India in general were men (males). Each one of them took native women as wives. The children produced from that joining were the first Jats. The Status of being a Jat in Jat Blood Law is decided by the father's Jat blood (the DNA Y chromosome of the father being from Central Asia). If a Jat Man marries a Jat Woman in Jat Blood Law the children from that marriage are given Full Jat status (100% Jat) by Jat Blood Laws. If a Jat Man marries a Non-Jat Woman in Jat Blood Law the children from that marriage are given Half Jat status (50% Jat) by Jat Tribal Blood Laws. If a Jat Woman marries a Non-Jat Man in Jat Blood Law the children from that marriage are given No Jat status (0% Jat) by Jat Blood Laws. jatland

I would like to see a return of these laws for whites although I'm not sure how it would work exactly for american whites but I'm sure we could figure it out.

Somehow, someplace britishers decided they were a martial race. This makes Jatts large part of the army which is the only pension paying job of the time.

Probably because they seemed reliable and the brits needed soldiers that wouldn't turn on them.

I suspect similar social engineering was done to create new caste groups by British for the case of Dravidian and many so called Brahmins groups as well.

This would not surprise me at all.

I do think Abrahamic religions, especially Roman Catholic Church and Arabian Islam are a bad things for any local identity.

Agreed but I think this can be mitigated with the right pope, cardinals and bishops. When Roman Catholics came over to the states in mass they had ethnic parishes and the priests would help keep the races and ethnicities in happy little boxes. Not so much today. They parishes were abolished as church leadership changed. E. Michael Jones writes about it in the book Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing. If Roman Catholicism can be salvaged I'd like to see it go back to a European only religion.

They are fundamentally inclined to expand as a global force and disregard nations.

As 'universalist' religions I concur but again this changes with different popes. The church is basically subverted by hostile forces today. They've used homosexuality, pedophillia, and communism to capture the institution.

So in the 3 Christian majority north eastern states, if you ask someone when did you convert to Christianity, they will say in the last 50 years. If you ask why, They will say that the reason they converted is that a lot of bad practices of killing people and cutting of their heads used to happen and can’t Christianity addressed that. Now, by historical records, there are tribal conflicts but I really don’t could not find any history of cutting heads or stuff like that. It’s pure fiction to convict all of them and their culture of a fictional if not exaggerated crime and then offer your cult as potential salvation.

Interesting. So it looks like the Jew globalists are using Christianity and manipulated indian history as weapons to break up the old ethnic strong holds of Indian society. This doesn't surprise me at all. Race and ethnic cohesion for me and not for thee is the calling card of these internationalist bullies. They love to play people off eachother. Market weapons to both sides and then watch people destroy eachother. Obviously they do it for profit but as a learn more about these old elite clans I think they do it for pleasure as well.

Similarly in the south and north India, the church says that caste is a big problem and hence encourages conversion to combat that.

There's a lot of anti caste propaganda in the US. I remember church groups coming into some of my childhood and college experiences and talking about the 'dangers' of the evil Indian caste system. Of course there's a lot of blatant pro Ghandi propaganda in US schools as well. They treat Ghandi like Jesus in american CRT literature.

When people say things like Zapotec civilization of MesoAmerica used to kill babies, I have my suspicions about how true that is. I would like to know how different Europeans groups all got converted and I suspect that is a violent history as well where innocent people were made to feel guilty of a crime they did not commit.

My major in college was History (early 2000's) and even then I could see how weaponized it was becoming. Colleges take the top students in history departments and try to steer them into 'diversity' research even if the evidence isn't leading in the direction of the preferred thesis. I had quite a few arguments with my advisor about this but ended up just doing what she told me so I could graduate. She did not recommend me to and PhD programs because of the differences (and I was essentially a liberal at the time, not even a conservative). I even took the US women's history feminist propaganda class she wanted (3 guys and 46 women in the class). Still no go on the rec.

it makes sense to me why they want to support it. Most white people are if not already, trying to be secular.

I think they've passed 'secular' and moved into full on self hating self destroying ideologies.

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We do have a strong identity and I now see a lot of sense in endogamy we have. I also think arranged and early is much better love and late for marriage. A lot of friends who had “love” marriages can’t speak with pride about Jatt history to kids. They also have seem to find questions about what “love” really is. My answer ? It’s the biggest con job that Hollywood and TV shows like friends did to the world. Media/entertainment is the strongest weapon in American propaganda machine for foreign matters and academic education (history) is the strongest weapon for internal matters

I am a bit surprised that my critic of Christianity is supported here. To me, with my current knowledge, a lot of what the sub says about Jews does not make complete sense about them but rather the church and other evangelical religions.

E Michael seems like a thought provoking writer. Thanks for the suggestion.

Gandhi is the single most destructive person to India (note I did not say Hinduism). In an attempt to subplant the national movement that was going on under a semi united front of moderate Hindus and moderate Muslims against the British, he befriended extremists Muslims in a movement for installing a caliphate in Turkey. So under him, British Indian subjects, ie, Hindus and Muslims asking for independence from British wanted a autocrat in Turkey. Go figure. Muslims correctly saw him as a convenient political tool. Intellectual Hindus elevated him to become a Mahatma and Pakistan is the result. I wish every enemy of mine has a leader like Gandhi. There is a long list of his support for atrocities on non Muslims and non British.

I have read some Greek and Egyptian mythology. It has a similar tone to Indian mythology. Especially the Greek. I think part of the reason why church would not like whites to learn that is then a lot of the Greek gods and their stories is that much of that would seem more inspiring and worthy of worship that the crucifix and cheap guilt they have to offer.

I was interested in history too but to get paid well in India meant you either became a doctor or an engineer. When I start to read social science research it shocks me how ridiculous the level is. But you know what explains it ? A lot of foundations will create a fellowship paying out about 25k-150k a year if you produce …n number of research papers. The Ford foundation does that almost everywhere for Christian institutions. I suspect some similar foundation might have created an incentive for your teacher to promote research on select topics while shafting truth.

You are right about whites being self hating and self destructive. It’s true with the liberal Hindus as well.

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When I think of it, the challenge is that America has been advertised and sold as a market, not a nation. It has a process of citizens becoming passive dependent consumers capable only of rage.

Even military servicemen usually talk of economic reasons to serve. So everyone wants a better bank balance not necessarily develop a spine of national character.

The challenge is to revive the great nation from the clutches of the market

The same problem in India is that people are made to think of themselves as spiritual and religious people without anything to do about politics.