Feminism is another obstacle against EthnoNationalism.

submitted by radicalcentristNational Centrism from self.debatealtright

This thread isn't meant to single out a user, I actually want to expand on some points I made earlier today.

If you're a Race Realist, by default, you are also a Genes Realist. And what do our genes say about Gender? Men & Women are different.

Point blank, there should never be an argument that Men need to respect Women's rights and vice versa. We all have roles to play in society, and treating Women as our equals contradicts millions of years of evolution that lead to unequal outcomes in life.

Does this mean I want to enslave all Women and turn them into forced baby factories? No. But alternatively, letting Women run around freely or being made figures of authority has also been just as disastrous for Western civilization.

Another popular concern is what if Women find this offensive?

If you can offend a Black with FBI statistics or lack of wheels in Africa, then why would you give a fuck if you tell Women their true purpose in life is to be homemakers and raise children, while Men worked jobs or directed society?

Because that's absolutely what the history of gender was like before the 1960's Civil Rights brought an end to that, and eroded society we know today.

Being shown examples of select Female Scientists or Doctors looks just as silly as hearing the argument "Well not all Blacks are criminals, or fail school". That's because society doesn't really care if Becky can count to two or wield a hammer. Society would rather pay Women millions of dollars for having huge tits or an extremely attractive face, because that's where the real value of the female gender is. Or another example, Men would never make Onlyfans popular. It's Women's bodies that are being prized for how good of a wife they would make.

There's much more I could say but overall, don't ever feel bad or need to apologize to Women. Look at history and you'll automatically see all the greatest leaders and thinkers are disproportionately males.

Sir Isaac Newton, Napoleon Bonaparte, Frederick G Banting, Charles Murray, Leonhard Euler, Karl Benz, Aristotle, Adolf Hitler, Alexander The Great, Thomas Savery, Richard Gatling, James Watson, Charlemagne, Pythagoras, Santos Dumont, Gabriel Mouton, Peter Peregrinus, Julius Caesar, William Shakespeare.

Western civilization only makes sense when Men are at the driver's seat of it.

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[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

You can recognize sex differences and strengths and weaknesses of both sexes without wanting to shit on White, emphasis on white, women.

Your comparison with "blacks" is stupid because sex and race are not the same things. They are inherently different and function completely differently in a civilizational context. We need women as much as we need men to have a functional society, perhaps we might even need them more. In many ways, men are disposable, while women aren't. We are complementary. It's like saying the arm is so much stronger than the foot, but without the foot, the body doesn't function properly.
This is where your comparison fails. Blacks aren't needed. We are not complementary with blacks...

I don't care if you are being "offensive" if you are sharing facts, but I can tell you that you're fat and that it is just a fact, and I can say that "fact" in many ways. One could be demeaning to intentionally be divisive while another could be with GOOD intent. How we say things and present facts matter, because it conveys our intentions. Do we want to have a society that is amazing for both white men and women? Or do we seek this path as a revenge towards the current regime or a revenge fantasy against white women? If the latter, you aren't pro white and you might as well go race mix with the based asian kpop submissive tradwives.

White women have a place in our society as our fellow citizens, sisters, daughters and mothers. As our EQUALs. Treat them with the respect that they deserve. For every Isaac Newton, we had a mother that took care of him.

Maybe you aren't from a country with quality white women that can lead. Denmark has a female prime minister that is making refugee camps in Africa, most of our most prominent anti immigrant politicians are all women, like Støjberg, Vermund, Kjærsgård.

You want them behind the kitchen all day? What a waste and what a boring life.

It is funny to be edgy, but it is not real politics worth pursuing.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can recognize sex differences and strengths and weaknesses of both sexes without wanting to shit on White, emphasis on white, women.

I've never attacked anyone for being White. Read my OP again, I want people to be a Genes Realist, which requires not respecting anyone for just having a vagina or penis.

Your comparison with "blacks" is stupid because sex and race are not the same things. They are inherently different and function completely differently in a civilizational context. We need women as much as we need men to have a functional society, perhaps we might even need them more. In many ways, men are disposable, while women aren't. We are complementary. It's like saying the arm is so much stronger than the foot, but without the foot, the body doesn't function properly. This is where your comparison fails. Blacks aren't needed. We are not complementary with blacks...

If you want Western Civilization, then White Men are objectively a bigger piece in completing this puzzle. I never denied that Women don't serve any function, but it's undeniable their main role in history was to be breeders of the next generation of Men. Bear in mind, this is absolutely something to still be proud of, and Hitler specifically created a medal recognizing Women for this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Honour_of_the_German_Mother

I would absolutely establish the same thing in my own country. Women who's successfully raise diligent Men would be able to retire peacefully.

I don't care if you are being "offensive" if you are sharing facts, but I can tell you that you're fat and that it is just a fact, and I can say that "fact" in many ways. One could be demeaning to intentionally be divisive while another could be with GOOD intent. How we say things and present facts matter, because it conveys our intentions.

There are objective things about fatness that deserve criticism. Yet, anyone with thick skin (no pun intended) would either choose to ignore those comments or do something to offset it. Hermann Goering was undoubtly fat, but his handicap was offset by being the 2nd most powerful man in Germany. If anything, it's about giving a reason of why should people respect you in society.

Simply being born a Woman isn't anything special. BILLIONS of them exist already. Stand out from the pack and prove why you are more worthy than the other females on this planet.

Do we want to have a society that is amazing for both white men and women? Or do we seek this path as a revenge towards the current regime or a revenge fantasy against white women? If the latter, you aren't pro white and you might as well go race mix with the based asian kpop submissive tradwives.

I believe in a responsible society. If you had Children and they asked to play out in the streets, it might make them happy at first. But a random car could also strike them and kill them. It doesn't mean I hate my kids for saying where they can't play, it's the absolute opposite. I want them to be SAFE, which requires passing certain restrictions.

White women have a place in our society as our fellow citizens, sisters, daughters and mothers. As our EQUALs. Treat them with the respect that they deserve. For every Isaac Newton, we had a mother that took care of him.

They cannot be equals. They will always be different, because that's simple evolution and biology.

And if you remember in the last thread, I mentioned there are pros and cons of this. A Man will never grow up pampered just because he was born with a big dick or has nice chiseled abs. He will always have to find some kind of hard work and earn his respect from other Men. A Women who is born with an extremely beautiful body has won the lottery. They will never have to work in their life, because any Billionaire Chad will want to compete for their attention and throw money just to get a piece of her ass. That is what Biological Realism means. We are not the same, and never will be.

Maybe you aren't from a country with quality white women that can lead. Denmark has a female prime minister that is making refugee camps in Africa, most of our most prominent anti immigrant politicians are all women, like Støjberg, Vermund, Kjærsgård.

The problem is for any good female leader, there will always be a male that could do the job 10x better. In all of human history, where was the Female Caesar? The Female George Washington? The Female Rommel?

They're just too much of a rarity, it's not worth spending huge sums of money chasing after. And for what? There will always be a surplus of Men who can fill in the role of "leader" quite easily. Just use them instead.

You want them behind the kitchen all day? What a waste and what a boring life.

This may surprise you, but Women not being forced to do the same jobs as Men, would actually open up a lot of recreational potential. For example, Women could still be artists. Or write poetry. Play frisbee or enter swimsuit competitions.

I actually find it ironic that liberating Women means putting them in Army roles where they could die. Or having them climb down into the public sewers which they are not emotionally or physically comfortable with.

These are all lies that were pushed by the Civil Rights Act. Women can still be happy without turning them into Men.

[–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

OP is responding about the institutional effects of women in society and wishes for a return to traditionalist society. Just because there are female politicians that push against immigration doesn't mean that all female politicians are necessarily good for society. The OP says that exceptions don't discount the rule, and just because some women in authority have a positive effect doesn't mean much if most don't.

That said, most people in a society should want to participate in it.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

OP wants to justify his antiwhite women rhetoric, demeaning words of half the white population, wants to chain women to the kitchen etc. Sorry but this is unacceptable to me, so yes, I am going to respond to that.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude, if you're going to be like that, no one is going to take you seriously on these boards.

Read the name of the thread title. "Feminism is another obstacle against EthnoNationalism."

Where do you see anti-white?

[–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Here's my question.

Why is it necessary to be opposed to women's rights? I think that's the question that needs to be addressed, along with reasons how women in power undermine an ethnonationalist society. Women are claimed here to be disastrous for Western society, but it's unclear here as to how they are.

Ethnonationalism posits that ethnicity defines nationality. For that kind of society to continue existing, it has to be understood that different groups of people are different. Mixing of different ethnicities or conferring rights to minorities at the expense of the nation would undermine ethnonationalism. However, unless women are using their power as citizens to promote minority ethnicities, then in this context the detrimental effects of women being equals to men should be less clear. I'm not saying that there aren't other ways women having rights could negatively affect society, but that I don't see how that's the case for maintaining an ethnically-minded nation. Using that example another poster stated about anti-immigration politicians in Denmark, I don't think it's impossible to have a nation with ethnicity or race as the focus while also giving women rights.

I think the question is leaning towards what is the best possible way of maintaining an ethnonationalist society. There's the implicit response that suggests that a society like this should be as assertive and authoritative as it can be so that the society can protect itself. For this reason I can see why it could be important for men to hold the positions of power, as they are seen as physically and intellectually more capable than women are. A society better able to defend itself has a better chance to thrive.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women's advocacy has always been a backdoor for undermining homogenous nations the same way LGBT rights has largely been a net negative wherever it's practiced. Such degeneracy doesn't need to be tolerated, especially when thousands of years prior, the world was doing much better without ever recognizing them.

We already know the answers to the wage gap, lack of Women CEO's, or STEM. But more importantly, the status quo already said none of these things were really an issue before Feminism asked that question.

In this thread, someone sarcastically brought up that I must somehow be a Kpop fan, even though I would argue Feminism too has corrupted East Asian countries like Japan and South Korea. Treating genders as equals has basically lead to those countries losing their soft power. Since Women become career orientated instead of looking for a mate after High School and wanting to settle down. The result is slowly depreciating birth rates.

In fact, compare South Korea's neighbor to the north? North Korea is much more male dominated, with the state advocating Women know their place in society. It's thus not a surprise North Korea has nearly 2x the birth rate than their Southern and genetically similar cousins.

It also sows division in their own nations. I also remember South Korea once had this crazy feminist President in the 2010s, and she was part of some weird witch cult. Long story short, they were very corrupt and making life of Men in their own country hell.

All these issues could be avoided by going back to the genetic argument that equality is never suitable or has lead to better outcomes. The end of WW2 proved that.

Men were shipped off across the world fighting wars while the Women starting taking their jobs. When the Men came back, the Women started demanding more, and now we're in this current debacle, where Women form their own political blocs and disproportionately support Liberal policies to spite Men.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Men and Women are equivalent, not equal. Feminism is another symptom of ""Enlightenment"" egalitarianism, and this is painfully obvious. Even many Enlightenment thinkers admitted women were not equal to men and had multiple differences. Treating men and women the exact same is bad and demeaning for both parties, but Jews and their ilk don't care and actually revel in demeaning their human superiors. Hence, our modern societies degrade women by turning them into livestock and acting as if traditionalists who value women far more are the ones bent on enslaving and demeaning them, and turn men into cucked soy-ridden incels while saying such is the doing of the "evil rightoids" whos similarly want the exact opposite.

Women are vital to the nation and you can't have a nation without them, just like you can't have a nation with no men. That said, you're 100% correct in saying that women have places where they should and shouldn't be, as do men. Men are biologically geared towards providing for a family and protecting that family, women are geared towards creating that family and caring for it. Whatever you believe about the origins of humanity, these are absolute, undeniable truths. These roles naturally extend into society when a society is created because a nation or other large group is, in essence, a very large extended family, a family that requires nurtures (largely women, with some exceptions), and protectors/maintainers (largely men, with some exceptions).

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, exactly. Thank you for understanding my point.

It should be common sense to see why the industrial/leadership roles tend to select Men, and why the nurturing and emotional support roles tend to select Women.

Soldiers require a lot of strength and on the spot decision making, that throwing a bunch of Women soldiers at the enemy should be seen as immoral. And that being a Nurse or Daycare owner requires having a lot of compassion for the subjects you look after, that it doesn't make much sense to throw a bunch of Men at it.

None of these points should feel like hatred.

[–]LetssavethefirsworldReturn to Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No shit. Treat woman as she is meant to be treated

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Something else I've noticed is that Feminism & Women's rights have always been trojan horses for spreading identity politics.

The game industry use to mock politics all the time (i.e who remembers Jack Layton and his attempts to ban violent video games)? But when Feminists like Anita Sarkeesian began to call games "Sexist", that's when the industry started to fall and began pandering to minorities.

By extending sympathy to Women, it now means they get to bring all their friends with them who claim they are oppressed.

White Women are seen as equals? Well now that means Black Women need help too! Black Women are seen as equals? Well now that means Muslim/Refugee Women need help too! Muslim Women are now seen as equals? Well, now that means Transgendered people also want attention.

This type of chain events could have been easily stopped if we had ignored Women the first time they spoke out.