Ex-Libertarians, what made you change?

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I guess that is one of the major problems with libertarianism. It doesn't work unless everyone, 100% of humanity, agrees with it and is a libertarian. If we do nothing it makes us too easy to control. If I treat others how I want to be treated that just means leaving them alone and living my life. They won't do the same, so we need some sort of self defense, thru rules and laws.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, defense. That means defense, not offense. That is merely the NAP. You seem to think libertarian/anarchy=chaos. That's how pop culture depicts it but the goal is the exact opposite.

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the best offense is a good defense. A premptive defense.

Yeah libertarianism is anarky/chaos. That's how it started, it's a leftwing concept. Ayn Rand helped popularize it. It just means letting the rich elites do what they want which is how we got this point.

[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It just means letting the rich elites do what they want which is how we got this point.

You're repeating the stereotype pretty much verbatim. None of us want that, and if you'll notice almost all of the elites are liberals, and in the US vote Democrat. All the monopolies and corporate giants have government funding and get laws passed to stifle their competiton & force people to buy from them. So how can they have this power if we take away the state that gives it to them? The government isn't the solution to the problem, the government is the problem.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

not a stereotype, just obvious fact. Pop culture doesn't depict it like that, would be great if they did. They mainly just say libertarianism is bad cuz it's rw. They never get to the reason part. How do you "take away the state that gives it to them"? Would need to organize a giant, worldwide revolution. That wouldn't be libertarianism.