Ex-Libertarians, what made you change?

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[–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I talked about an atomized individual.

Well you're talking to one so they do exist.

Being powerful is always better than being weak.

Not being weak does not mean being evil. Let me ask you, would you consider Jesus weak?

Why is it an abuse?

Because why should everyone else have to conform to your personal preferences?

If you are sure, that your ideas are great, then why should it be a horrible idea to make others follow these ideas?

Because you are not God and could still be very wrong. Almost everyone is sure their own ideas are great. And they are often evil and selfish too.

Is being selfish always wrong?

Yes.

Interesting to hear a Libertarian caring for other people's needs.

You clearly believe in stereotypes about us then which don't represent us one bit. In fact concern for others is the only thing that holds back the desire to rule them like you want.

Anyways, I have already addressed above, that I believe I would help others, if we made them follow my ideas.

But some may disagree.

Why do you not have a right to complain yourself, if you are the victim? In one scenario you are the victim and in the other you are not. That's a huge difference.

Because that would be hypocrisy.

Finally, we once again agree on something. How does this help a Libertarian "society"?

It's not a society, and human instincts don't help. In fact they're probably the reason why so few ever like the idea; only those open-minded enough to question their instincts, their deepest primal convictions, will take it seriously.

Your life is affected by others.

Which is why they should not rule.

Once again, I have to ask why?

Because I believe in morals. Consistency. Not being a hypocrite. Equality of opportunity for all. I don't like pride. Others do not inherently deserve more than me, nor do I deserve more than them. If I had it my way everyone would have their own reality and only interact when they want to. But this prison, the matrix, and maybe the real world that contains it, keeps us locked in this world, so all we can do is respect one another.

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    [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The fundamental difference is whether you have the right to other peoples' lives and belongings. The way I see it, everyone is entitled to their own. And I also believe that following principles and morals will give the best results in the end, even if there are short term gains in not doing so. The best results for everyone, not just those in power.

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      catholic church hates moral relativism

      they want to be the ones to define that

      [–]VulptexVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Not when you define them by the golden rule.