Why is Japan the only non-white nation who got their act together?

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Nations always change due to a bunch of factors like migration, intermarriage, etc. If none of these existed, the Vatican would have died out long ago.

Japan clearly has stricter borders than the West, so migration is not a threat. Intermarriage is the same thing. You can't do a lot of race mixing, without either leaving the country, or importing foreigners.

All that leaves is the "lack of sex" scenario. But as I pointed out, it's all hysteria when we have no examples of a nation that did go extinct through this.

I purposefully said "in a western sense", so that you would not come up with lunatics.

Besides 9/11, those examples are western.

Jim Jones was American born, and recruited most of his cult members in the U.S before moving to Guyana and killing themselves. Jehovahs Witnesses have been caught lying to the Australian government about their pedo members. The Scopes Monkey Trial was a U.S court case involving Christians trying to ban evolution in schools.

And those are just the "mild" examples of religion negatively impacting the West. Dig back further in history and there are much more fucked up cases, like how Mormonism was created.

Edit: By the way, I wanted to mention in my last post that the only terror attack on Japanese soil in recent history was religious based. In 1995, a cult had released poison gas in the Tokyo subway system and ended up killing 13 people, while injuring thousands. The cult was swiftly arrested, with the leader sentenced to death. I have not heard or seen any other national story of any Japanese porn addicts causing the same level of damage to his fellow citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

Sure, not everyone watches porn, let alone Hentai. Furthermore, I agree with you. Most guys watching this are probably going to school or work regularly. Still, they waste tons of hours per year with this. The possible psychological damage is a further problem. Quite a few studies see negative effects of porn and I would be highly surprised, if it was different with Hentai.

Then I don't think it's fair to turn porn into a Japanese issue, or something exclusive to their society. A quick google search shows that America is practically responsible for 60% of all online consumption, whereas Japan is a tiny blip or 0.27%.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2397058/Internet-porn-map-world-reveals-US-Holland-Britain-largest-providers-world.html

35% (according to Wikipedia) cleanly is an epidemic.

Look at per capita numbers. It's 1.8 divorces per 1000 for Japan, and 3.2 divorces per 1000 for USA.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/09/japan-is-no-place-for-single-mothers/538743/

They could always do better, but they're not the worst at it either.

Are Japanese women black? Do they have a similar IQ to the average black American woman? The same cultural background? The same neighbors? I could go on, but you know what I mean.

So you admit the family structure in Japan is healthy? If most children are being raised by both parents, what else could that imply about their society?

This is nothing unique to Japan.

They didn't invent the Monarch system, but it's still impressive that they maintain it. It means they can trace their history all the way to the present, while still practicing cultural norms related to preserving blood lines.

Once again, you are making a claim, that I did not make.

Well you sure implied it with this comment: "Maybe I am more interested in other things like a healthy culture, nature, families, etc.?"

Otherwise, why bring it up in relation to quality of life in Japan?

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it's funny you guys are wondering why japanese men have a lack of sex and watch porn. Take the black pill to find out.

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Well, Japan has loosened the immigration rules a lot in the last few years.

    Define "loosened"?

    Most immigrants are from China, followed by Vietnam & Korea. They only appear to approve 99,000 permanent long term residents a year. The rest are temporary or seasonal workers. Asylum seekers are far smaller. Only 10,000 a year, which was actually a 50% decrease from the previous year.

    https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/e025d47d-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/e025d47d-en

    Racially speaking, importing other East Asians does not dilute their gene pool. So I don't expect the Japanese phenotype to actually disappear.

    The Vatican is an example, where the population only exists due to migration.

    See the above.

    Still lunatics and not what you commonly understand as a religious man in the west.

    When they make national news, it's absolutely a fault of the West for tolerating religion. Just like how every Black person is not George Floyd, yet it still took only one of them to reach headlines and cause social destruction for 6+ months.

    All of this proves my point. Why did we not see George Floyd riots in Japan? Or other religious sponsored tragedies? Japanese culture does its best to avoid them. Whereas the West doesn't and it clearly pays the price for it.

    It is by no means exclusive to Japan, still a factor, that weakens the case for Japan being some kind of utopia.

    What makes it a factor? Japan makes a lot of cartoons, so naturally there will be smut artists to go with it. But the majority of all anime, made year after year, is not pornographic.

    https://myanimelist.net/anime/season

    Not the worst, but still bad.

    True, but it requires nuance.

    Jamaica & Mexico have a lower divorce rate than Japan per capita, but they're also one of the most homicidal nations on Earth. Would you really want to risk getting married when it could be your last?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1226451/lowest-divorce-rate-worldwide-by-country/

    I never denied, that Japanese people are behaving according to their IQ, culture, etc. Once again, the question is not, whether there is some society, that is worse. The question is, whether Japan is some kind of utopia. And once again, no, such a high divorce rate as well as the low fertility rate hardly imply healthy family life.

    It has a functioning government, super safe society, 3rd largest economy in the world. On top of already being rated low for divorces, it's as close to a utopia that takes into account every aspect of life.

    Again, see the Jamaica example. It does certain things better, but other things far far worse. Yet why is Jamaica still called third world? Because the world has higher standards that weighs EVERYTHING.

    Come on. There is a huge difference between "Maybe I am more interested in other things like a healthy culture, nature, families, etc.?" and "the idea that Japan can't raise healthy families is a weird claim". One of these statements says, that Japanese society in general today does not resemble, what I consider healthy families (see divorce rates, etc.), while the other says, that there is no healthy family in Japan at all.

    Then you need to respond with a country that consistently (read that word carefully) scores high in nearly all benchmarks. I call Japan a utopia because the quality of life is above average in ways that most nations dream they could hold as many titles as them. Or it's still a country I would consider to be the model to copy to reaching a utopia.

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      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      It is easier to immigrate now, then it was in the pre-Abe era.

      Well Abe is no longer Prime Minister, so any present or future leader could try an undo his "changes".

      I should mention however, I'm not an absolutist. Immigration can still be acceptable, when it's done in controlled amounts. America was still an ethnostate when it allowed certain Africans & Asians to settle in the beginning. The mistake was scrapping all border laws that made it impossible to send them back.

      Japan is not in that situation. If tomorrow they voted to ban all foreigners or tell the Chinese to go back, they have the demographics to support it.

      Only 99,000? Only?

      See above.

      Racially speaking, it will not. Ethnically speaking, it will.

      It's not a point worth losing minds over because they are virtually indistinguishable compared to other groups.

      It would be like if Britain decided to take on only French or Polish immigrants. European blood in a European genepool gets assimilated quite easily. You would need a DNA test to actually start telling these people apart, in which case, the point has been made.

      Ok, but why do you not hold porn to the same standard? A lot of terrorists in the West have been porn-addicted incels.

      Religion takes all the problems associated with porn, and multiples it by a 100. For example, there's already plenty of sex crimes that revolve around the church. Or cults like David Koresh that supported 1 man taking on several wives, with claims that he even abused his kids.

      Now, how exactly are we suppose to reason with these people who claim they're just following the word of god? They'll just claim they're being persecuted or oppressed while still being allowed to harm others.

      The porn addicts, at least have a real point of reference to work from. Like some may just be terrible at actually dating Women or lack social skills. Those things can be remedied or dealt with realistically. But people who believe circumcising their newborn baby penis is the will of god? They cannot be reasoned with...

      Did I claim the majority is pornographic? No. Even though I want to add, that from the few animes, that I have ever seen, I was disgusted by the sexualization of little girls in some of them.

      This may surprise you but Japanese people are just as equally divided on anime. You'll find some of the most popular or talented anime artists refuse to even put that stuff in their art. If you actually want to know what Japanese products sell, then stuff like Super Mario, Zelda, Metal Gear Solid, One Piece, those types of cartoons have sold millions while being very sexually mild or having no sex at all. The actual "porn" stuff is far more niche, and appeals to an even smaller subset of anime fans.

      Sure, the term utopia takes all factors into account. Still, this is what I am saying the whole time. Namely, that Japan is far from perfect in some regards.

      The pickings for a utopia are rather slim these days. If I could build a time machine and go back to the 1950s, then perhaps Japan might have lagged compared to several Western countries at the time. But it's not the 1950s anymore, so that comparison is no good....

      Give me your list of benchmarks. According to some index like the HDI, Japan is clearly below quite a few other countries.

      Challenge accepted.

      Crime rate? 4th best (as in safest) in the world.

      https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Crime-levels#-#

      Life expectancy? 2nd best in the world.

      https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/

      Military? 5th most powerful (and keep in mind that Japan is handicapped because of the U.S backed constitution)

      https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php

      3rd richest country in the world.

      https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/

      6th best country at Math/Science/Reading Tests

      https://factsmaps.com/pisa-2018-worldwide-ranking-average-score-of-mathematics-science-reading/

      Covid death rate: 40th country

      Which might not sound like much, but it means Japan did handle the pandemic better than several Western countries

      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

      Japan is in the top 10 for fastest average (not median) internet speeds

      https://www.fastmetrics.com/internet-connection-speed-by-country.php

      Japan is consistently in the top 10 for most livable cities

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_livable_cities

      If I had more time, I bet I could find 10 more sources. But I think this is enough references to debunk that Japan is a dystopia.

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        [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Sure, but it has not happened for now.

        Then remain patient.

        In small amounts, yes. 99,000 per year, no.

        99,000 out of 125 million is only 0.0792% of the total population. There's at least 10x as much Native Japanese babies being born a year. It would take more than a lifetime before those immigrants could replace them...

        There are tons of problems with religion. Nonetheless, religion also has its advantages. Porn on the other hand has no positive element.

        Or we could just do away with both and have all the positives, without any of the negatives.

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        A lot of terrorists in the West have been porn-addicted incels.

        fake news