Black Man Rapes Woman on Public Train, Media Complains People Stood by and Watched

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    [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

    The hypothetical is the only meaningful measure capable of showing the severity of the population's behavior compared to the other population

    The false statement "[A] white woman is 64 TIMES more liked to be raped by a black man that a black woman is by a white man" is meaningful. It's about the risk of rape that white women face from black men compared to that that black women face from white men. They just got the maths wrong, and got 64 when the correct value is 1.9.

    And that 1.9 is going to be subject to some bias from reporting and conviction rates.

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      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

      It's not meaningful.

      Yes it is. You have to understand the racist mindset. They live in constant overwhelming fear of other people, especially ones that don't look like them. This is why their family trees don't have branches.

      The 1.9 times is the risk of interracial rape (ignoring the bias in reporting and convictions. The true figure is plausibly more equal) for a white woman compared to a black woman. If you're a racist and therefore a coward, this is the point that you live by, and try to encourage the rest of the world to understand. You are in fear of black people. Now you have to justify it. Look in how much danger white women are in because of black men!

      You're diverting attention to poor wording of an image in order to miss the meaningful part.

      It's the poor math that's more outstanding.

      That has societal ramifications of populations going up and down and portraying a sense of scale of abuse. Behavior affects people: rapes, robs, kills, destroys people, and it certainly matters to the people victimized by it when the population of abusers goes up unchecked.

      See? There you go. It is about fear.

      Extreme example to hammer this point across for lurkers. I assume you'll ignore it, so it's not for you:

      Group A: 0.1% committing interracial rape. Group B: 50% committing interracial rape. Nation's population: 0.99999 of Group A and 0.00001 of Group B.

      I'll just point out some realities for those figures for the lurker. I assume you'll not understand it, so it's not for you:

      Someone from Group A intending to commit a rape will see 100,000 of their own race for every 1 of the other race. So, if they don't care who they rape, 0.1% of them committing interracial rape implies they each rape an average of 100 people.

      Someone from Group B intending to commit a rape will see 100,000 of the other race for every 1 of their race. So if they don't care who they rape, 50% of them committing interracial rape implies that they each rape an average of just under 0.5 people. (0.499995 people).

      So the "measurements that provide understanding are the rates of the action for each group and what that could amount to proportionately in civilization (given equal populations)", would be that in that case group A would be committing the vast majority of interracial rapes, due to the fact that the increased opportunity so dramatically outweighs the tendency to rape in this extreme example.

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        [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

        It's only showing everyone you ignore stark behavior of a 64x interracial black-white rape perpetration disparity proportionately and thus the consequences resulting from demographics.

        Oh, you didn't get the maths in the comment to which you're relying either?

        That's starting to fail to surprise me. Read it through again.

        You did exactly what I said you'd do if you would only bother reading fully.

        I show that in your example it's the larger group with the lower proportion of interracial rapes that would be doing more interracial rapes if the populations were equal.

        Only a psychopath would divert focus from talking about a group whose behavior includes 50% of their population committing interracial rape.

        You're the one who wants to project to the situation in which the populations were identical. In that case the other populations would be committing 500 times the number of interracial rapes as the group that includes 50% of their population committing interracial rape at the "current" population levels. Which would take more than 50% of their population, unless they've got something like 49% of their population doing a thousand times the number of rapes as the average of the group you're trying to demonise.

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          [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

          Blacks have been raping whites over 11 times the amount of the reverse and blacks have been only ~1/6th the size of the white population.

          That says less about behaviour and more about relative population that you're trying to claim.

          • A white rapist would happen upon a black victim only about 1/6th of the time, because of the relative size of the victim's population.
          • A black rapist would happen upon a white victim about 5/6th of the time, for the same reason.

          Also a black man accused of rape and convicted is about 3.5 times more likely to be innocent than a white man is accused of rape. The figure is much higher for black men convicted of raping a white woman. Source

          (And, although it's irrelevant to this conversation, it should be mentioned that that innocent black man will be serving a longer sentence than an innocent white man, and will be incarcerated for four and a half years longer before being released, on average).

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            [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

            White non-hispanics rape at around 7000 FBI-documented cases per year across their population of around 60-65%: 200,000,000 for simplicity.

            Blacks commit rape at around 4500 FBI-documented cases per year across their population of around 12.5%: 40,000,000 for simplicity.

            "Are convicted of" better reflects the reality than "FBI-documented cases", as the bias in the criminal system contributes.

            But so do demographic factors, which are improving: Black imprisonment rate in the U.S. has fallen by a third since 2006