You guys excited for the new Game of Thrones show?

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[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

There wasn't anything woke other than some strong womyn stuff. Point is the show retained an overwhelmingly European cast which if it were developed and made today it would not be.

[–]Flicksener 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Rumor has it one of the reasons why what's his face in the chair became king was because the writers were concerned that, had Jon gotten it, which all signs in the story throughout the series suggested he should have, the woke crowd would have been up in arms that a white man beat out a woman (Khaleesi). Instead, they figured giving it to a cripple would make everyone happy, as it so clearly did.

The show didn't start going woke until the writers stopped having JRR's stuff to fall back to. It wasn't super woke, not by today's standards, but that's only because it ended before things got really, really bad culturally.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I haven't watched it, mainly cuz I heard everyone say the ending sucked, but they said that some kid became king, not the cripple. And he was a white kid.

[–]Flicksener 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah, the crippled psychic kid. He takes the throne. You should watch the show, for all its faults, it's still one of the best shows ever made, especially the first 6 seasons or so. I liked it, despite the questionable last season.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

ok i didn't know he was crippled, I thought the guy played by peter dinklage was the cripple, and he is just a dwarf tho?

I can't watch anything with a known bad ending. No point, would be a waste of time. Sopranos and Lost are like that too. Why would I spend like 50 hours on a long multi season show that has a bad ending.

[–]Flicksener 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Well, it's still interesting despite the ending. I didn't mind it. I loved 95% of the show, hell even the finale had its charms. I didn't think it was as bad as people have said. The hour and a half long battle episode against the white walkers in the 7th season, for instance, I thought was one of the best of the series. I don't even mind the kid in the wheelchair getting the throne, even though it very clearly belonged to Jon Snow.

Also, the finale to the Sopranos was brilliant. You really should watch that show. One of the very best ever made. Don't let a few naysayers who "didn't get it" turn you off to it. It's pretty obvious what they were going for in the finale, and it pulled it off pretty brilliantly. Lost, yeah, the ending sucked. Still a decent show, but ultimately amounted to nothing. Same with Battlestar Galactica, if you were a fan of that show. Loved it until the middle of the 3rd season, then it's pretty hit and miss until the finale, which was just a big piece of crap. Mad Men too had a pretty lame finale despite being brilliant from Season 2 onward. But whatever. I still enjoyed the ride.

Breaking Bad is pretty consistent throughout, as is The Shield. Deadwood is also excellent, but some episodes are a bit of a chore to get through since the dialogue is difficult at times and the pacing is slow, and then it just ends without any good resolution. The movie that came out many years later tried to make amends, and does so sort of, but it's too little, too late. Still definitely worth watching.

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well the general concensus is the ending sucked. You're rare in saying it was good. I won't risk many hours watching it in the hopes you're right and 99% of people are wrong.

Sopranos just ended on black. Terrible. Try hard and cringe. They just didn't know how to end it. Though I heard the new movie with his son might explain what happened? Not sure about that but you shouldn't need a movie years later to fix a show.

I was watching battlestar galactica in it's first 2 seasons but it seemed to be jumping the shark so I stopped watching, no surprise the ending sucked, I got that spoiled and that made no sense.

I agree Breaking Bad was great, great ending, good example of a great show. I still need to watch the newer Deadwood movie but even if they never made that, I felt it's ending was ok. At least just not try hard and cringe. With something like that, based on real life with real characters, I never expected them to have some sort of big finale ending. Like with that it would be ok for it to end with the characters just alive and doing their thing.

[–]Flicksener 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wouldn't say it was good, I just didn't think it was the worst thing in the world. Some parts of it I liked, and others I thought were terrible and badly written, like the final battle between the sea guy and incest brother, and incest brother and non-lesbian lesbian-looking swordswoman, and incest brother and incest sister, and the stuff with Emilia Clark, which seemed rushed, (it's been a while since I watched the show and have forgotten all the names). I didn't love it, but I found the finale of Lost, Mad Men, and Battlestar to be way, way more disappointing.

Sopranos ended on black because Tony was shot in the head and instantly killed. It was from his perspective, and once he died, he was just gone, thus ending the show on black. It was a bold move that didn't work for some people, but I thought it was brilliant.

Yes, Battlestar started jumping the shark around the 5th episode of the 3rd season, unfortunately. I think Ron Moore, the executive producer, was being pulled in too many directions at the time (he was hired on a bunch of films and was developing a second show), and as a result, the overall story started to suffer. There are some good episodes here and there, but overall, very disappointing. Caprica was decent, but it never achieved the highs of Battlestar and probably never would have had it been allowed to continue.

Deadwood waited too long, unfortunately. The film was good for the first hour, but the second hour just didn't make sense. The characters all were clearly way older than last we saw them, yet the plot tried to continue after the finale of the third season almost like no time passed in between, explaining it away as "oh nothing of interest happened in the town for 10 years." I understand they didn't have much of a choice, but they really could have gone in another direction maybe. But whatever, more Deadwood is better than one, and at least we got some kind of conclusion. Shame the creator is suffering from Alzheimer's. Such brilliantly written dialogue and characters and story.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will need to see the Deadwood movie at some point. I guess it's probably on HBO Max, I could get it from a library maybe, that's how I saw the show. I really like westerns but we don't get that many new ones.

[–]negrogreBeing black is anti-white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They've been changing whites and others into blacks since the second season of Game of Thrones. Look at that pirate and that merchant who gets locked in the vault.

[–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The cast was at least 95% white throughout the series. They can never happen now.