Why does Race & IQ differences make people angry, but Gender differences does not?

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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

But if someone said "Black people are dumber than Whites"

I think that the fact that it's wrong is why people get annoyed. Truth is a powerful defense.

or "Blacks should get out of White neighborhoods", why do they get pissed?

This is trolling.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

I think that the fact that it's wrong is why people get annoyed. Truth is a powerful defense.

Blacks are dumber than whites

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

There's insufficient evidence to claim that. If you correct for confounders, the difference disappears into the margin of error.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

No

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

You appear to be mistaken about that:

Combining our estimates with results in prior literature, we show that a simple model with assortative mating fits our data well, implying that differences in children's environments between racial groups can fully explain gaps in intelligence.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Without looking at your study and only the title of that link, whats the chance that your study isn't looking at adult iq? lol

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

That's generally what IQ is. Historically it was defined as mental age over chronological age.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but comparing Childhood IQ scores with Adults is typically flawed, because our brains still continue to develop until we're at least 25 years old.

HOWEVER, it's scientifically known that Black people reach their peak faster compared to other races. This should theoretically explain why the IQ gap actually gets BIGGER over time, because Whites & Asians completely surpass them at a given age.

We also have the transracial adoption studies as direct proof of this. Black kids at age 7 did ok, but once they hit adulthood, their IQ's return back to their racial average (83). Meanwhile, the White children, in every adopted scenario, still scored 100 points or 1 standard deviation higher than the Black kids in life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study#Results

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

HOWEVER, it's scientifically known that Black people reach their peak faster compared to other races.

I hadn't heard that. Do you have a source?

This should theoretically explain why the IQ gap actually gets BIGGER over time

I believe that's common for any IQ gap. Kids that are behind fall further behind as their education progresses, regardless of their race.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I hadn't heard that. Do you have a source?

Black people age faster

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953614004511

Black people are born quicker

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15075154/

Black children reach puberty faster than other races

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/puberty-starts-earlier-in-many-american-boys-201210225437

It actually all fits in with Rushton's theory of R/K selection in humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race,_Evolution,_and_Behavior#Differential_K_theory

Species that are considered very intelligent, have the smallest amount offspring while also spending the most time raising them. Species that are considered less intelligent have the largest amounts offspring while spending very little time with them.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You're comparing two different groups with two different IQ/age curves. You don't even know the basics of this research and its really a waste of time when I can debunk your claims without even looking at your studies, just from the titles

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You're comparing two different groups with two different IQ/age curves.

Google has these 125 papers citing that source. Can you point me to one of the ones that clarifies your objections?

Or is this something that you've worked out, but all the people who know about this have missed?

You don't even know the basics of this research and its really a waste of time when I can debunk your claims without even looking at your studies, just from the titles

Oh the irony.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm not going to do your work for you. It is pretty common practice for the dishonest to not use adult IQ but rather teenage or 7-year old IQ because it allows them to paint the picture they want to paint, knowing that using adult iq would give a different result that they don't want.

The irony here is your lack of knowledge and your arrogance. We have all been where you are, you are not unique.