Latest poll for the Russian elections shows feminism and "progressive" politics is dead on arrival

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[–]CircumsteinRabbi Circumstein 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

United Russia are the only party meant to exercise power in Russia.

The CPRF are basically a socially conservative party whose purpose seems to be as a sort of safety net to stop people to Putin's Left from falling into anti-System Leftism. They had a literal businessman stand for President last election.

The LDPR serves the same purpose to Putin's Right, and Zhirinovsky has been referred to in the past as a 'caricature' of a Russian nationalist. Anything rightward of the LDPR is in big trouble.

The other parties are all fringe and have no shot at power. Yabloko is the closest thing to a globohomo party, but even there, support for same-sex marriage and other radical social policies is usually less than 50%. Of course, some radical social policies like abortion on demand are very popular among all parties. A similar thing occurs in Japan, where Far-Right support for euthanasia appears to be higher than Far-Left support, totally defying the Western progressive-conservative spectrum.

Putin is literal cancer but, like Orban, if he gets overthrown only something worse can take over. Orban, who nationalists view as some literal gypsy running a Mafia-style regime, will be up against a vastly worse coalition comprising of the pro-EU, post-Communist Left (the MSZP is a direct descendant of the Communist Party), pro-EU liberals, and that moronic Jobbik party who have shifted extremely Leftward over the past decade. Jobbik is now a pro-EU, anti-nationalist party with a J'ish leader. Next election, it's literally going to be Fidesz versus all of these globohomo factions united in one alliance whose purpose is simply to remove Fidesz from power and return globohomo to power. Hungary has to choose between a 'corrupt gypsy' and the far more dangerous EU. This is only marginally better than elections within the EU where all the candidates are pure garbage. Sanchez, Iglesias, Macron, Melenchon, BoJo, Corbyn, Merkel, Baerbock... notice how almost everyone in or close to power is pure garbage?

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Orban is not a gypsy, lol. He's a calvinist Hungarian.

[–]CircumsteinRabbi Circumstein 0 insightful - 1 fun0 insightful - 0 fun1 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is the Hungarian nats who claim he has recent gypsy ancestry, not I. I never looked into these claims. Being a Calvinist doesn't preclude one from having recent gypsy ancestry per se.

He's also an ardent philo-semite who still accuses Jobbik of anti-semitism (even when they have a J'ish leader). He also sells Hungarian citizenship to rich foreigners, though he's thankfully intolerant of those useless 'migrants' whose only 'contribution' is to recreate the same conditions they fled. There is plenty to dislike about Orban (and even more about Putin). The bar is just so low these days.

Whatever he is, Fidesz is still better than Jobbik, MSZP, etc. Fidesz in some ways has practically swapped places with Jobbik (1990s Fidesz was pro-Western globohomo, 2020s Jobbik is pro-Western globohomo).

Jobbik was only better than Fidesz before the late 2010's, i.e. when they seriously could be considered 'Far-Right' even on an unbiased political spectrum (and off the charts Far-Far-Far-Right on today's fucked up, extremely Left-biased political spectrum which considers outright philo-semitic, pro-LGBTQIAA2XYZ, liberal parties like the Dutch PVV, Danish DPP and Austrian AfD 'far-Right'). If anything, these are all left-leaning parties whose only problem is with Islamic immigrants, and only those because of Left-wing reasons, i.e. Islam is exclusive and intolerant. Fidesz certainly makes these parties look Left-wing in comparison.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://hungarytoday.hu/pm-viktor-orban-rumoured-become-grandfather-summer-79709/

Here's a picture of him with his four daughters. Does he still seem like a gypsy?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah but why does it matter if he is a gypsy

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What, is all that stuff about Jobbik true? Do you have a source?

I don’t know much about Hungary, but I’ve always agreed with your perception of Orban, I.e that he’s far from a true Nationalist but much better than the alternative… but I’d always held out a hope that Jobbik would someday takeover the reigns from him.

[–]CircumsteinRabbi Circumstein 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The current Jobbik leader's name is Peter Jakab. Look him up. His story literally fits the stereotype—descendant of supposed Holocaust survivors, lost some ancestors in the Holocaust, etc. Despite this, Orban still refers to them as the 'Anti-Semitic Right' and ostensibly doesn't understand how there can be an alliance between the post-Communist Left and them. Well, that's remarkably simple. Jobbik isn't an 'Anti-Semitic Right' to begin with. So what happened?

Jobbik began shifting Leftward very quickly when Gabor Vona got hold of it. This Leftward push meant that most of the Jobbik Right like László Toroczkai have long left the party and formed other groups. Toroczkai's party is 'Our Homeland', founded as far back as 2018. Vona's silly attempt at mainstreaming basically meant that Jobbik lost the whole Right (who are probably now Fidesz or Our Homeland voters) and now the pro-EU types totally control the party.

Perhaps Orban understands this fully but simply uses the party's history as a cudgel with which to attack them, or he's just plain deluded. It's similar to the French RN and the Sweden Democrats. Both have 'Far-Right' origins but are clearly now mainstream Right parties very distanced from the 'Far-Right' today. Leftists and pro-EU liberals just act like none of these changes happened and the media still hilariously calls these parties 'Far-Right' even though they have no problem with immigration and multiracialism per se. One wonders each time whether they're genuinely deluded or simply using these backgrounds as a weapon against them in order to keep their preferred candidates like Macron in power.

Regardless, I think there are two fairly objective truths here. Firstly, Fidesz has moved Rightward while Jobbik has moved Leftward, such that they've crossed over and Fidesz is now better for us than Jobbik. Secondly, Our Homeland is the best party, but has no shot at power.

In your(?) Italian context, it is probably sort of like how I'd ideally support one of the groups like Tricolour Flame or Forza Nuova. But when the election comes it would not achieve anything to vote as a group for either, whereas enough 'based' Italians voting for Brothers of Italy could change elections for the better. So unless Our Homeland can seriously grow its voter base, Hungarians had better just take their chances with Fidesz each election.

[–]VraiBleuScots Protestant, Ulster Loyalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Damn, that’s a blackpill but thank you. Now that you mention it, I do remember reading some stuff a couple of years ago about Jobbik doing a u-turn, but not knowing much about Hungary I didn’t take it in at the time. I’m still shocked at the extent of it though, I kinda thought they were one of the more ‘hardcore’ nationalist parties in Europe & they seemed to have a genuine shot at power at one point. To go from that to literally having a Jewish leader… I wonder how their voter base is taking it

If you’re Italian

I’m Scottish actually hah, I just like the quote . Ive spent a lot of time in Italy though so I get the analogy.