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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There is almost as much Native American in some of the descendants of North American settlers.

That's not possible. The North American Protestants clearly had race laws that made mixing with non-Europeans illegal.

In the Spanish & Portuguese ruled parts of America, the Conquistadors basically eliminated the rival men and were allowed to sleep with all their women. In Brazil for example, it was even state policy to breed out almost all the African or Indian slaves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanqueamiento

Defining what's NOT "white" will become more difficult over time,

Nope, it's pretty easy. Besides physical appearances, White people have a certain IQ level.

Hispanics always do worse in school compared to real Europeans. So it's a bad idea to start counting them as "White" when they're genetically dumber.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/1995-SAT-vs-Income-Education.png

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North American Protestants clearly had race laws

Anti-miscegenation laws were proposed rather late in the South. Enforcing anti-miscegenation laws in most of North America was nearly impossible, and they were rarely, if ever, directed at Native Americans, many of whom also did not advertise that they were Native American. (I am descended from one of them.) More info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States

Regarding "whiteness", I mentioned DNA, which you cut from the quotation.

Moreover, white people DEFINITELY DON'T have a certain IQ level.

Consider the link you provided: it addresses income levels.

You are conflating IQ results per race with with IQ results per class.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Anti-miscegenation laws were proposed rather late in the South.

They were also the last to end them.

Enforcing anti-miscegenation laws in most of North America was nearly impossible

Based on what? Forced segregation had also existed at the same time, and that was almost exclusively upheld until the Civil Rights Act passed.

Regarding "whiteness", I mentioned DNA, which you cut from the quotation.

You're in luck. I managed to find my Latin American admixtured chart from a few days ago and the vast majority of these people who live in these countries are only 50% European at best, with the other half being Native Indian and Sub-Saharan African blood.

https://i.imgur.com/DSpgeSx.png

Sorry, but they're not White and never will be.

Moreover, white people DEFINITELY DON'T have a certain IQ level.

Whites have an average IQ of 100. East Asians are 5 points higher, and Blacks are 1 standard deviation (15 points) lower.

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

Consider the link you provided: it addresses income levels.

The poorest Whites are still smarter than the richest Mexican on average. It's genetic.

You are conflating IQ results per race with with IQ results per class.

You wont find many Hispanics or Blacks at all in the smartest professions. That's the point of racial differences.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks for the info, though here's part of the problem:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

1) Intelligence tests measure different kinds of intelligence, which are difficult to assess for broad international groups

2) The concept of 'race' "a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than a biological one", dating back to the 16th century and the start of European expansion

3) A few points on an intelligence scale and/or in racial differences are not significant when one considers the value of that information in a person's actions, how we judge the actions of others, and what we want in society

4) I appreciate that you've likely heard all of this and still won't agree with any of it. My view is that attempts to divide people on the basis of race and intelligence is historically problematic for society. This is one of the reasons I often agree with criticisms of conservative Jews (though I often agree with liberal Jews), because conservative Jews make similar arguments about the reasons for not mixing with non-Jews (as do conservatives of other ethnic and national groups, with whom I also disagree, because the historical lesson is that ethnocentrism always causes additional problems, in all attempts dating back 10,000 years.).

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

1) Intelligence tests measure different kinds of intelligence, which are difficult to assess for broad international groups

1 + 1 = 2.

IQ Tests are no different to Math Class, which is already used to assess Children's learning. If you can solve the above question on your own, congratz! You are at least not a retard. But now try and solve (1y + 2x) + (4a2 x 7b2) ? Can't do that or need help from a calculator? Then you're clearly not smart...

2) The concept of 'race' "a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than a biological one", dating back to the 16th century and the start of European expansion

Isn't it funny how Black people, Asian people, Hispanic people can all agree that they exist, but the minute someone says "White people" or "European people" exist, race is now imaginary? Sorry but it's blatant hypocrisy, and you know it. You don't walk in the middle of Africa and find a tribe of people with blond hair, blue eyes, white skin, who speak Russian. Every continent on this planet has created a subgroup of humans who act and look physically different from each other.

3) A few points on an intelligence scale and/or in racial differences are not significant when one considers the value of that information in a person's actions, how we judge the actions of others, and what we want in society

IQ is the reason nations either fail or prosper. Every Black ruled country is a disaster. Every Hispanic ruled country is a little successful but not stable. Every European nation is successful and stable. Every East Asian country is extremely successful but quite strict.

It's amazing how these blatant differences has been spun by mainstream media to be "fake" yet there is no counter evidence.

4) I appreciate that you've likely heard all of this and still won't agree with any of it. My view is that attempts to divide people on the basis of race and intelligence is historically problematic for society. This is one of the reasons I often agree with criticisms of conservative Jews (though I often agree with liberal Jews), because conservative Jews make similar arguments about the reasons for not mixing with non-Jews (as do conservatives of other ethnic and national groups, with whom I also disagree, because the historical lesson is that ethnocentrism always causes additional problems, in all attempts dating back 10,000 years.).

You have it the other way around. I support race and intelligence because it's the moral way to end suffering.

Diversity has never once worked in human history. All the major races (i.e Blacks/Whites/Asians) have never created a society where they all end up in equal. There is always disproportionate violence or wealth that is racial in origin.

The solution? Don't force these people to live together and naturally segregate them. Africa is a big continent and so is Europe. There is enough land that says Black people can live far away from White people and vice versa and both groups will be kept safe by this.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

All of the claims you're making are wrong and have been debunked so many times it's not even interesting anymore.

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/the-existence-of-race/

What's you're view on transracial adoption studies? What's your view on the fact that different races have different average brain size and skull volume? Also, psychometrists disagree with you on intelligence tests. https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/multiple-intelligences-emotional-intelligence-creativity-and-g/

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All of the claims you're making are wrong and have been debunked so many times it's not even interesting anymore.

The topic is obviously 'interesting' to those who dislike others who don't look like the group that wants to 'debunk' the claims. Note that the links you've provided are themselves referencing "the alternative hypothesis." These are not mainstream views for a good reason. My approach is to look at the history of eugenics, racism, and metropolitan areas that date back thousands of years. The mixing of people is inevitable on heavily populated areas that engage in regional trade. Those who don't like this ethnic (or social, or religious, or whatever) mixing have in many cases developed their own special groups and territories. In many cases these insular groups have faced numerous difficulties, and some have gone extinct. If you want to form or join an all-whte community, do that. As for the majority of people who've traditionally not done this, they will in many cases outpace the insular groups in every way. Hope this helps.