47% of West Coast Dems, 66% of Southern Republicans Want to Secede From U.S.

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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You're aware of Texas vs White (1869)?

The Constitution does not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Technically it wasn't legal for them to secede in 1860 either by that logic. Secession isn't a legal right. It's a human right. If I can't voluntarily walk away then you are enslaving me and I have the right to resist that. May the strong win and the weak perish.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If I can't voluntarily walk away then you are enslaving me and I have the right to resist that.

No, slavery is different from having to obey laws.

Slavery is being owned by another person and being forced to work for them under threat of violence.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You need to start having some original thought. If you are forced to follow laws under threat of violence, and these laws threaten your well being or those of others, then it's slavery. If you are coerced into using products and working with companies due to how the government chooses to interact with the populace (insurance, land agencies, banks, etc) then you are a slave.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you are forced to follow laws under threat of violence, and these laws threaten your well being or those of others, then it's slavery.

1) You get a say in the laws by exercising your democratic rights. Slaves don't have democratic rights.

2) I agree that violence is a crap way to enforce laws. I think that the removal of freedoms is the only appropriate punishment.