Americans Hate Each Other

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[–]AidsVictim69 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Yes indeed: these campaigns of hatred &c developed especially in the past 10 years, as a way of distracting people from the rise in income inequality that started with the Reagan Admin. The article partially addresses this, but not appropriately:

This is just naive leftist nonsense that tries to transmute all racial/ethnic/cultural issues into purely economic ones. The rightwing fetishization of Jews as the man behind the curtain simply morphs into capitalists. Wealth is used by the (almost universally liberal in character) rich to suppress racial forces, not encourage them. Racial conflict is not a distraction from rising wealth inequality, it's challenge to their ability to control it. To the extent they direct it now, it's to attack conservative whites and remove them as a potential nationalistic element that might impede their control. The best case scenario for the capitalists is to keep the Western workers as pacified as possible while creating a diverse a workforce as possible so that their ability to form cohesive opposition forces are neutered.

It's well-known that the "happiest" countries are known for a greater percentage of wealth parity, the middle class, social programs, healthcare &c, such as: Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Luxembourg &c.

Most of these countries are undergoing the same process of division and radicalization as migration and ethno-cultural stress increases despite more robust welfare states and lower income equality, they are just further behind the US in this process for demographic reasons primarily.

The vast majority of Americans are still known worldwide for being among the nicest, warmest, most generous people in the world.

No one thinks this.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

So you disagree with most of what I wrote? Do the points in the article reflect your hatred of others? You've thus been manipulated by the 1% to hate other Americans?

transmute all racial/ethnic/cultural issues into purely economic ones.

That's not what I wrote. Read it again. (Economic inequality is fundamental to developments of other problems, even if the other problems already existed.)

The rightwing fetishization of Jews

Definitely not happening. Many of those right-wing assholes are Jews. Also the usage of 'fetish' does not work here, FFS.

as the man behind the curtain simply morphs into capitalists.

Poetry? Makes no sense to me.

Wealth is used by the (almost universally liberal in character) rich to suppress racial forces, not encourage them.

The opposite is true. I wonder why you or anyone else would think this.

Racial conflict is not a distraction from rising wealth inequality, it's challenge to their ability to control it.

Not true. Just look at how the 1% promotes racisim on websites and in right-wing organizations. Consider the dumbass parents protesting against the manufactured 'critical race theory'. It's a non issue meant to piss off dumbasses who enjoy racism. Students should learn about history. That's it. End of story. Deleting portions of history you don't like is fascism, to control the masses.

it's to attack conservative whites and remove them as a potential nationalistic element that might impede their control.

These fuckers (and Jews and the other 1%) are the one's promoting racism. They're not trying to remove themselves. They're in control.

The best case scenario for the capitalists is to keep the Western workers as pacified as possible while creating a diverse a workforce as possible so that their ability to form cohesive opposition forces are neutered.

Yes - we agree on this - but should also follow the money, to see how the 1% are gleaning everything from the 99% in the US. This will not work in the long term, but they're not concerned with the fate of young people.

Most of these countries are undergoing the same process of division and radicalization as migration and ethno-cultural stress increases despite

Yes - they're discussing immigration reform, and legislation was recently passed for the EU and the UK to come to terms with it. But this does not change the fact that those are the happiest countries, especially because of income parity &c.

The vast majority of Americans are still known worldwide for being among the nicest, warmest, most generous people in the world.

No one thinks this.

For you to say this is an indication that you've not been out of the country long enough to see it. The Bush Jr and Trump Administrations we periods when people in the US were seen as really stupid and foolish. Thus non-US opinions of Americans are gradually changing.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Just look at how the 1% promotes racisim on websites and in right-wing organizations.

What are you smoking? The 1% is literally funding BLM and other woke projects. The 1% is replacing whites.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Borzoi said this the other day on telegram:

I'll talk to anyone who doesn't watch television about what I know.

But you can't talk to television watchers.

You're just arguing with the television and the television can't hear you.

I know socks is just a troll account pretending to be a gigaNPC libtard, but this applies.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I heard this argument word for word on reddit the other day when I was talking to a leftist about how all their social views were exactly the same as every CEO and attendee at davos. They counter with this idea that actually corporations are funding white nationalism too. Of course they can't point to any actual examples and usually just lump everyone from the federalist to breitbart to the daily stormer as all exactly the same and all promoting hate. It's so stupid.

Funnily enough the only other people I hear make the argument that it's actually part of some plan for the system to promote racial division are really low-tier older conservatives and conspiracy types. Turns out horse-shoe theory is real it just doesn't work how a guy like saegon thinks it does.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

corporations are funding white nationalism too.

No, this is how it works. FED-ops promote honeypot 'white supremacist' movements led by Zionist Jews to scapegoat white nationalism in order to discredit any caucasian, that might not even identify as a white nationalist, who questions the overt plutocratic agenda of making caucasians a minority or to scapegoat Esau and destroy Edom.

Now if corporations are funding 'white nationalism' it's Cointelpro groups such as the Proud Boys and various other kosher friendly movements used to tribalize Caucasians under the umbrella of Zionism in order to promote their form of ethnationalism.

Simply, watching the Mormon Jew Jan Irvin call the FBI on people who post Talmud quotes and they get subsequently raided is an obvious example of Jewish subversion. Jan is a lunatic but he also whines about crypto-Islamism and tries to scapegoat Islam to whitewash our Zioninst occupied government.

The more you watch these grifters the more you realize hoe much power Zio Jews have in the US. If they are not trying to demographically replace caucasians they are trying to gatekeep the narrative of white nationalism by racialzing caucasians under the tribalism of Zionism or at the very least utilising perception management to make people as soft and distracted as possible.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True, BLM is Marxist, though the assassinated BLM founder was against Zionism and the training of US police by a foreign military (IDF). So, he was on to something. Unfortunately, BLM is full of Jewish terrorists, Marxist-leninists and funded by corporations for inclusion and public relation purposes.

Yes, there is a conspiracy to end the Caucasian race through various forms of propaganda, economic watfare and enforced emigration by Rothschild and Co. We've heard many times plutocratic Jews embrace the destruction of Caucasians and exclaim their happiness for increased white male suicide. That being said, there's also the other side of the spectrum which pretends to befriend those against such propaganda hoping to tribalize caucasians under the radicalism of Zionism.

Watch out for both.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We 100% disagree on this. There is no evidence for what you note, whereas you can see what the right-wing 1% want among those who support Citizens United, right-wing political hacks on the Supreme Court, have paid millions to right-wing politicians, who control the news and social media, and who fund the racist disinformation websites at /u/ShitpostNews. There is by contrast no evidence that any of these people are liberal or anti-white (whatever that is supposed to mean, though we see it a lot on Saidit).

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no evidence for what you note

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/companies-donating-black-lives-matter/

who fund the racist disinformation websites

Then why has the Alt-Right been deplatformed almost everywhere you look? Why has Amazon banned several Dissident Right books from their website? What you're saying doesn't make any sense.

There is by contrast no evidence that any of these people are liberal or anti-white

Just read the above.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Consider the dumbass parents protesting against the manufactured 'critical race theory'. It's a non issue meant to piss off dumbasses who enjoy racism. Students should learn about history. That's it. End of story. Deleting portions of history you don't like is fascism, to control the masses.

You're either trolling or you really are a delusional leftist.

By the way, there's nothing wrong with "racism". And your gaslighting about CRT isn't fooling anyone. Also, fascism is a good thing.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fascism for your cause is a good thing for you. Ziofascism is not.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Again, we 100% disagree on these points.

By the way - consider the usage of gaslighting - which isn't what I've done, not in the slightest, especially on Saidit.

Moreover, in a fascist country, you would have no rights to say or do what you wanted, unless it was in agreement with the fascists. Fascism restricts freedom, as does racism, as does CRT. You seem to agree here with restricting freedom and facts (in history lessons). Saidit is literally not a place for you, if you don't support free speech.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First of all, in a fascist country I wouldn't need to say anything that goes against the regime because I would be perfectly content with it. Secondly, freedom is overrated. Most people don't actually want to be free, they want to be secure. Most people in the West today are miserable because they're free. Thirdly, everyone - including the current liberal regimes - restricts freedom and facts to a certain degree. And finally, no one completely supports free speech, not even libertarians.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's not what I wrote. Read it again. (Economic inequality is fundamental to developments of other problems, even if the other problems already existed.)

Sublimation of all cultural and racial issues into economic ones is the basis of leftist thinking from liberalism to Marx and is what you're doing here, whether you understand that or not. It's an abandonment of materialism (i.e. genetics, literally the materials determining a large part of human behavior and capability) in favor of enlightenment ideals (tabula rasa).

Definitely not happening. Many of those right-wing assholes are Jews. Also the usage of 'fetish' does not work here, FFS.

Poetry? Makes no sense to me.

The opposite is true. I wonder why you or anyone else would think this.

The right (not mainstream conservatism, which fetishizes Jews in a different way) fetishizes (i.e. obsesses with and attributes extraordinary powers to) Jews in a similar way to the way the left fetishizes capitalist class (or 1% as you keep re iterating instead of class nomenclature for some reason, probably because your interest begins and ends at OWS catchphrases). The left believes that racial antagonisms are primarily a result capitalist manipulation to divide the working class - this is sometimes true out of convenience - but largely this is a misinterpretation of the character (which are almost universally liberal and enlightenment in nature) and motivations of the capitalist class. Racial antagonism is a threat to capitalist power structure for a variety of reasons, nor do they have the extraordinary powers necessary to engender these phenomenon. When it's used out of convenience (i.e. agitation propaganda against whites ramping up the last few years) they are exploiting trends that already exist and built out of the genetic and cultural bedrock from which they emerge. Ideally for the capitalist class the antagonisms would disappear and allow the full pacification of the working class and they actively work to achieve that using economic incentives (i.e. the blacklisting of anyone not fully embracing modernist morality) and propaganda.

More importantly the leftist explanation misunderstands that liberal capitalists are true believers in things like "white guilt", systematic racism, complete genetic equality etc. They do not promote and act on these things out of some utilitarian economic function but because they are fundamental aspects of their philosophy.

Not true. Just look at how the 1% promotes racisim on websites and in right-wing organizations. Consider the dumbass parents protesting against the manufactured 'critical race theory'. It's a non issue meant to piss off dumbasses who enjoy racism. Students should learn about history. That's it. End of story. Deleting portions of history you don't like is fascism, to control the masses.

These fuckers (and Jews and the other 1%) are the one's promoting racism. They're not trying to remove themselves. They're in control.

You are delusional about what the ruling class is promoting and believes.

Yes - we agree on this - but should also follow the money, to see how the 1% are gleaning everything from the 99% in the US. This will not work in the long term, but they're not concerned with the fate of young people.

I have no particular reason not to think it will work in the long term. The vast majority of people can be bought off with slight adjustments to tax rates and welfare. They are depressed, dependent on pharmaceuticals, self hating (if white), narcissistic ethno nationalists (if black or latino), losers who are totally unwilling to die or struggle in a way necessary to reform the system.