Anatoly Karlin knocks it out of the park, documenting the complete degeneration of the US military

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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Really? I don't think so. Keep in mind that Russian and Iranian militaries are total jokes with poorly trained troops, equally poor leadership both on lower (squad/platoon/company) and higher (regiment/division/et cetera) levels and garbage-tier combat gear (though this one is a little bit less prominent in Russian case).

If anything, should America clash with any of those countries, the U.S. military would be annihilating them so quickly and effectively the morale would skyrocket to unbelievably high levels and attract even more young men to join the ranks.

The US Government's own simulation predicted that Iran would wipe out the Navy in the first two days... twenty years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

“The whole thing was over in 5, maybe 10 minutes.”

[–]Lugger 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

DoD would say whatever it takes to persuade the gubmint to increase the military spending.

Ever since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, do you remember how many times U.S. military officials have been spewing nonsense about Russians planning to invade [INSERT EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRY] or Russians posing a threat to NATO countries in general?

Of course, all of their "concerns" were utter bullshit, and they knew it was bullshit, but they had to play "Russia bad" card nonetheless to get more money for their dear military.

Now, why do I get the feeling that in the simulation you listed the Navy was "wiped out" for the very same reasons — to portray it as not strong enough and get more funding?

That, or the Iranian might was overestimated for training reasons.

There is no other explanation because Iran simply doesn't have the technology (and training) to counter American units. It just doesn't. The U.S. and Iran literally belong to different eras, technology-wise. If the war ever breaks out, it would be amusing to watch Iranians with rusty AKs and howitzers from the 70s attempt to counter American jets carrying laser-guided missiles, tomahawk-wielding destroyers and armed to the teeth Infantry and Armored divisions with excellent training.

Oh, and, by the way, what is the combat record of the glorious Iranian military? Sending child soldiers to the frontline? Using WW1-tier human wave tactics?

And the U.S.? Well, it has ROFLstomped every conventional force it came across — brilliantly, I might add.

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There is no other explanation because Iran simply doesn't have the technology (and training) to counter American units. It just doesn't. The U.S. and Iran literally belong to different eras, technology-wise. If the war ever breaks out, it would be amusing to watch Iranians with rusty AKs and howitzers from the 70s attempt to counter American jets carrying laser-guided missiles, tomahawk-wielding destroyers and armed to the teeth Infantry and Armored divisions with excellent training.

That's how they decimated the Navy. They took advantage of that US reliance on high-tech electronic surveillance.

[–]Lugger 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Hmm... I don't believe you understood what I was implying:

"They" never destroyed the Navy. It was "destroyed" in a simulation conducted by the Americans themselves, which doesn't necessarily reflect the real state of U.S./Iranian militaries for the reasons I mentioned above.

If such a scenario occured in a real war, chances are Iranians wouldn't even be smart enough to figure out they could use those tactics against the Americans — remember, Iranian military is comprised of poorly trained conscripts and incompetent officers, while the U.S. is a direct opposite which has proven its worth on many battlefields.

They took advantage of that US reliance on high-tech electronic surveillance.

Honestly, if anything it just further proves that the conclusion of the simulation was a BS. You can't just take advantage of high tech like that even if your troops are well-trained (unlike the Iranians).