Italy: percentage of people openly questioning holocaust veracity has multiplied by SIX in the past 16 years

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"Percentage of people who fully or mostly agree that the holocaust never happened" https://i.redd.it/ahusyx9dn8f61.png

As globalism declines, so does its founding myth. Note that these are face to face interviews. If 15,6% will openly admit to a pollster in person that they do not believe the sacred holocaust narrative, I wonder how many believe that in private. The real number could be twice as high.

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[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Speaking from experience, the number is probably a lot higher among North and Central Italians, a lot of them also probably just don't care. Too busy making fast cars and pretending to be white. It's remarkably hard to guilt an Italian unless you are their mother or wife. Me ne frego, avanti Savoia, morte al traditore, viva il Duce.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

pretending to be white

Just stop.

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm just joking, man.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

:)

[–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is curious that italy managed somehow to escape the same guilt imposed by jews on the germans.

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's admirable how well Italians can just say "Whatever, I don't care, shit happens" and move on without giving it another thought. That said, Croats rarely get shit for Jasenovac, so maybe it just comes down to who got flooded with the most propaganda during and after the war. As for why, I couldn't say. For what it's worth, Italy pardoned most of their combatants on both sides after the war, perhaps the lack of show trials like Nuremberg prevented a lot of guilt as well.

[–]soundsalad 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Globalism doesn't appear to be declining; in fact just the opposite, as seen with the WEF and the likes.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'm all for more people questioning the Holocaust, but this shouldn't be our main focus. It's not a hill we should die on. Our goals have to be seen as completely separate from it.

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    [–]Ethnosomniator 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Absolutely. Since it's also racially connected, ALL Whites are potential genociders just waiting for the signal from Trump, Q, Richard Spencer or whomever. In a sense it IS the new Adam & Eve creation myth since it re-establishes the original sin as simply being White.

    [–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Agreed, its a massive turn off and losing point. Whenever WW2 is brought up in debates, it is best to change the subject or twist it.For example the regimes that toppled the Nazi's would be considered far right neo nazi regimes but the modern dogmatic left.

    [–]TrabWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I agree it shouldn't be the main focus but challenging the Holocaust narrative is huge, literally all the criticisms of the ebil nazis comes back to muh 6 million

    [–]wristaction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    "Completely separate" how? And why?

    [–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    We aren't Nazi's or Fascists.Those were ideologies of their time, we need to build a new ideology adapted to out time. WW2 is a topic we either dodge or twist.The best example of this would be how the allied forces would all be branded far right,neo nazi white supremacists by the modern dogmatic left.

    [–]wristaction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Of course we're not LARPers, but we exist in the stream of history.

    [–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    The fraction of people who believe in conspiracy theories varys significantly from nation to nation. Northern Europeans are extremely close minded when it comes to conspiracys, while southern Europeans are much more open minded.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

    Northern Europeans just believe in different conspiracies. What percentage of Northern Europeans believe that the oil industry is actively engaged in a CONSPIRACY to repress novel forms of energy production and propagation of ideas related to climate change? 70 percent? 80?

    Northern Europeans believe in all types of utterly retarded conspiracy theories that make Flat Earth seem plausible like 'White Privilege Theory' and various other nonsense. They're no more or less given to conspiracy ideation than anyone else and I'd wager they give the Turks a run for their money in that regard.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    'White Privilege Theory'

    That's an Anglo thing. The vast majority of the people in Nordic countries don't believe that.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    That's totally wrong -- critical race theory which includes ideas that Europeans are consciously or unconsciouly engaged in a conspiracy to dominate society and hold back minorities is widely taught and accepted in Scandinavia and much of northern Europe -- but you can just replace that conspiracy with any other. How about the conspiracy that men have been and continue to be part of a conspiracy to hold down women and advance themselves at the other sexes expense? How many Northern European women believe in that conspiracy theory? Definitely over 50 percent.

    My point is that Northern Europeans believe in conspiracy theories as much as any other population they just, as of now, believe in the popular ones.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You need to read my comment again. I wasn't talking about what's being taught and accepted by the establishment.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    But that's what I'm talking about. What's being taught and accepted by the establishment are the most elaborate and insane conspiracy theories ever pushed on mankind. That's my whole point.

    [–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The Germans have their own variant of 'white guilt.' Thats more related to WW2 and Nazism, though.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Sure, but even most Germans don't think they should give up their entire country because of that.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    What percentage of Northern Europeans believe that the oil industry is actively engaged in a CONSPIRACY to repress novel forms of energy production and propagation of ideas related to climate change? 70 percent? 80?

    I mean I wouldn't be surprised if coal and natural gas had a hand in advocating denuclearization of the European power grid

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh no doubt and just to be clear I'm not even really dismissing the idea that the whole fossil fuel conspiracy is true I was just trying to make the general point that every group believes in conspiracies and it's more that the sanctioned conspiracies don't get called that despite being essentially conspiratorial in nature.

    [–]wristaction 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    So even fewer Europeans believe in the Holocaust in the north?

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think saying "it never happened" will never fly because "it" is too vague. David Duke, David Irving, et al all say "lots of people were treated bad and killed, but not in the way they claim", but that is enough to get them denounced as monsters. i.e. saying Jews exaggerate and lie makes you a persona non grata monster. Questioning the official narrative is a much better way and completely defensible thing to say to anyone. If anyone things Jews are beyond criticism, well, that's the real problem. THAT is Jewish Supremacy, and is exemplified every day.

    At any rate, as I will tell anyone "Whatever happened in Germany 80 years ago is no justification for America et al having open borders". I am not guilty and YOU never suffered Mr. Jewish man.