The key historical milestones of Western decline. Which do you think is the most important?

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People can trace the rot of Western civilization to several milestones. They are from backwards:

Collapse of the Soviet Union(1991): Ended all opposition to globohomo neoliberalism. Eastern Europe stops being a racially sealed off zone.

Defeat of Germany in WW2(1945): Handed over the sovereignty of the world to two materialistic, multicultural powers(USA and the USSR) from the hands of Britain, France and Germany.

The Bolshevik revolution in Russia(1917): Destroyed Russia's population potential. Created the onslaught of Marxism. This mobilized the forces of anti-racism and anti-white politics worldwide. It gave the Jews, at least till 1948, an enormous golem that could be used to crush Christian civilization. The threat of communism also enabled the passage of civil rights and other unpopular liberal policies in the 60s and 70s as the population was forced to compromise to face the greater Soviet threat.

Creation of the Federal reserve(1913): Ensured Jewish domination of America and created the framework for the Jewish world order.

Rothschild strikes gold(1815): Nathan Rothschild uses advance knowledge of Allied victory at Waterloo to collapse the British stock market and then buy up Britain's debt and assets. This enabled the family to rise to the forefront of global banking. The family would use this boost to become the world's largest banking cartel, at one point controlling 70% of world banking. They would lead the charge in forming the Jewish world order.

The French revolution(1789): In a sense, this was in a way the end of traditional western civilization. It led to the destruction of monarchy, hierarchy and church power across Europe. Began the modern age, and established masonic liberalism across Europe.

Battle of Rocori(1643): French victory in the battle ensured the survival of protestantism in Europe. Without a single Roman catholic church to unite society, the ability of society to restrain usury, liberalism and other heresies became limited.

Protestant reformation(1517): Opened the road to liberalism, individualism and usury.

I'd say its 1917 tbh. I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but imo, Russia had historically been the defender of Christianity and European civilization for the last millennia.

They destroyed the Jewish Khazar Empire. They absorbed most of the blow from the Mongol invasion. Destroyed the turkic khanates that raided and terrorized Europe for centuries. They invaded and destroyed the Crimean Khanate that enslaved millions of Europeans for centuries.

And in the 19th century, they almost single handedly liberated most of the Balkans from Turkish occupation. Above all, for centuries they contained the world's largest Jewish population, and greatly reduced their ability to corrupt the world by shuttering them in the ghettoes.

The Bolshevik revolution however, turned Europe's greatest champion into its worst enemy. From there, marxism was exported and financed worldwide.

If the Bolshevik revolution never happened, there would've been no rise of marxism across the world, no nazi revolution in Germany, no second world war and American domination of the world, and a strong Christian Empire would've stood guard over Europe.

And without the joojoo of Marxism, it would've been very difficult for the Jews to pass unpopular liberal policies like civil rights and feminism in the West. Americans by and large compromised on that stuff in order to unite against the allegedly greater Soviet threat. In a world where there was no Soviet Union, there probably would've been civil war in the US over desegregation.

Southern men back then still had balls and enough clout in the military to start an insurrection.

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If you can't be bothered reading my autistic rambling: World War I.

The Protestant Reformation was generally the beginning, with the prior Renaissance arguably being the clearest "peak" of the West in terms of its cultural and societal development. From the Protestant Reformation, Anglo-liberalism formed and provided the strongest groundworks for what would become modern liberalism albeit failing to spread itself significantly outside of the Anglosphere (England, Scotland and the Thirteen Colonies). The French Revolution was when the ball of decline began to slowly roll down the steep, the first implementation of what could be seen as modern liberalism and its subsequent forceful spread across Europe through the French Revolutionary Wars. It saw the initial emancipation and normalisation of the Jews in society (obviously this was not instantly, but the Napoleonic puppet states were the first to do so), set liberalism (alongside Anglo-liberalism) as the norm which coupled with the Industrial Revolution and the fall of feudalism allowed the rise of the bourgeois as the dominant ruling class and the Jacobins provided the inspiration for what would become modern socialism from the likes of Fourier, Proudhon, the Paris Commune and eventually Marx. (I'd like to add I do not see the Enlightenment as wholesale detestable, but regardless of the good it also brought along with it much to disdain in hindsight). From then through the 1800s we began to see the slow dissolution of the social order, the extended family became the more capitalist-compatible nuclear family, personal liberty became desirable, rationalism was given priority as the way to ponder on the universe and the beginning of women's emancipation.

World War I was the catalyst of the effects that the Enlightenment brought upon the European empires, the competition that it fostered between them (escalated by a Enlightenment conception of ideas such as nationhood) finally became physical and their aristocratic governments used the sons of a generation as expendable pawns in a brutal war. It demonstrated the flaws of remnants of the archaic systems of old, it was now believed the people would probably be better making decisions. Modernism finally overcame tradition, this could be through the suffrage reforms of Lloyd George in Britain, the liberal revolution in Germany, the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. Plus it set the precedent upon which the world's second oldest and most well-developed ideologically liberal state the United States of America would become a dominant power. After this, we saw the first wave of the social changes of the 1900s. Women's suffrage became further spread, the hope of spreading literacy upon the whole population arose and we saw the prototypical stages of the sexual revolution. Of course, it was not as "happy" as this, the Great Depression came, Weimar fell to chaos and fascism arose. In the subsequent Great War we saw the last stand for opposition to the progressive liberalism of the Enlightenment in hopes of setting a new revolutionary path. This left the struggle between Jacobinism's son (Marxist socialism) vs Anglo-liberalism and Jacobinism's lovechild ("Free World" Capitalism). "Free World" Capitalism won, now we can finally contemplate on whether it was all worth it.

Judging from all this, the Protestant Reformation was the definite starting point (although you can go into the background of that and talk about the Renaissance's effects, proto-liberalism or proto-Protestantism) and the French Revolution really set the ball rolling. But I would say neither are really THE decisive point. While, I'd agree that the Bolshevik Revolution is important I wouldn't place that much importance on it. It is a symptom not a cause. I'd say it is one you didn't include, WW1. The Enlightenment's effects reaching their conclusion, ending in a cataclysm pushed on by archaic holdouts of a bygone age (aristocrats and monarchs). This all put ensured the final triumph of the progressive liberalism of the Enlightenment and began the post-Enlightenment age of neoliberalism, Bolshevism and progressivism.

[–]UserAetheria 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I like your reasoning. Things really started to go downhill at an accelerated rate after WW1.

[–]PeddaKondappa 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

In modern history, the defeat of Nazi Germany was obviously the most important. With Nazi Germany died the last serious movement in the West to challenge Enlightenment principles. After 1945 the modern world was ushered in, which is based on the founding myth of the of the HolocaustTM with Adolf Hitler as the archetypal Big Bad Man. All modern people are required to believe in this founding myth as an article of faith, and anyone who questions this founding myth or expresses any sort of sympathy towards the Nazis is immediately branded as a heretic and excommunicated from society. The Cold War was relatively unimportant compared to WWI and WWII, because Communism and Liberalism are actually quite similar to each other and are both anti-traditional, post-Enlightenment ideologies. What made the Soviet Union dangerous was the fact that it was Russian and non-Western, not the fact that it was Communist. Russia today, which is non-Communist, is still viewed with hostility by liberals (even more so than the old Soviet Union was).

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Largely correct, its just that winning world war 2 was really difficult for Germany. I wish to make a post on what Germany should've done in hindsight, but to be short, Hitler should've declared total mobilization in 1940. The German army should've went South in 1941 instead of Moscow. They should never have invested Stalingrad and instead should've bypassed it, they should not have split army group in South in two during Case Blue in 1942, thus weakening the offensive towards both the Caucasus and Stalingrad.

[–]PeddaKondappa 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, the biggest problem that Germany faced was a lack of oil. Securing the resources in the Caucasus could've enabled Germany to win in the long-term.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even destroying it would've been enough. It would've crippled Stalin's ability to continue the war, he himself admitted as much. Hitler could've gotten a favorable peace treaty with Russia in that scenario

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

didnt you used to rock the hammer and sickle on debatefascism years ago?

[–]PeddaKondappa 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, but even back then I wasn't a communist, more of a NazBol. The main reason I used the hammer and sickle was because I was a Russophile and to trigger boomers whose brains were stuck in the 80s.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

based

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    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Cringe bipedalist libtard, we all know it was the (((Cambrian explosion))). One minute we're living the trad single-cell good-life in our primordial underwater volcano colonies and then the next thousand years later we're grugs and grugettes monkey-mutts who are fornicating on land caves. It is all the fault of the (((trilobites))).

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think agriculture only became prominent since 10,000 BC, roughly after the end of the last ice age

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      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      The American Revolution is indeed a milestone in the general decline, but it could be on its own traced back to the Magna Carta, the Protestant Reformation and the development of liberalism in England.

      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      1945

      [–]TrabWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Good answers in here, I'll keep mine short since phone posting but I think 1965 could be added on there for America. Not nearly as important as the others but still noticable for Civil Rights and the Immigration act

      [–]Minedwe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The thing is, Jews have been evil and destructive sicne long before any of these events. Since before Christ, they've been Satanic and corrupting on anything they've touched. A lot of the events some people here see as bad were good for us, but corrupted by the Jews. This does not make the ideas these movements encapsulated bad, it just means the Jews are doing the typical Hebraic thing of parasitizing off of us and exploiting/coopting our best qualities and ideas.

      However, as far as these events go, the worst for Western Civilization was probably World War I, or more accurately, the period surrounding it and the events immediately preceding and following it. The Boer Wars, the death of Monarchy, etc. were disastrous for us. They were the culmination of certain subversive elements that these governments and institutions did not see or did not count as subversive or threatening. As previously stated, things like the Enlightenment, Protestant Reformation, etc. were not necessarily bad. Yes they introduced certain ideas that were taken advantage of, however the Jews and their ilk will always take advantage of any idea they can, it's their nature. So to say these ideas are/were inherently bad because they were taken advantage of is ratehr stupid, in my opinion.