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[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't say European civilization was declining in 1643, but the root of the rot lay in the reformation. Imo, the decline of the west began in september 1914, when it engaged in a fratricidal war over mutual paranoia and spheres of interest.