Never having to lie about their beliefs or present ideas they disagree with stops leftists from ever becoming critical thinkers.

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[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

saying that this alone stops them from becoming critical thinkers is false because critical thinking is still required to get almost any PhD.

This statement is full of assumptions and is fallacious.

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The classes required, especially math, medical school for some, in earning most PhD's requires critical thinking. This should be a pretty obvious true statement.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're (wrongfully imo) assuming that giving presentations and taking classes requires or creates critical thinking. While I can understand why you're highlighting math due to the very real intellectual rigors of that area, the fact remains that the number of PhDs in math is miniscule compared to the arts and other sciences. (edit: I see you edited while I was writing. Why are you stating that critical thinking is required for most PhD's and then citing two areas that are a minority of graduate degrees given (you only stated math prior to your edit)?)

See here

Masters

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_ctb.asp

Doctorates, see table 12 and others

https://ncses.nsf.gov/pubs/nsf20301/data-tables/

This is just a fact of statistics and intelligence. Very few people have the mental requirements for high level mathematics. See here for a plot of IQ and field of study

https://chart-studio.plotly.com/~etpinard/330/us-college-majors-average-iq-of-students-by-gender-ratio/#/

When you're in a system that rewards parroting the beliefs of that system, i.e. not questioning it, going with the mainstream, etc., that means that you're not required to challenge the beliefs of that system.

Are you actually in university?

Why does that matter for this conversation? Are you? Do you think that credentialism and intelligence are the same?

If I didn't attend university or have a degree, does that nullify my criticism? You realize that you're resorting to an ad hominem for your argument?

[–]SoylentCapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why does that matter for this conversation? Are you? Do you think that credentialism and intelligence are the same?

Took it out before you replied. I realized this wasn't appropriate.

Why are you stating that critical thinking is required for most PhD's and then citing two areas that are a minority of graduate degrees

I said required classes for most PhD's which also includes things besides math and the specifics I mentioned. From things like chemistry to philosophy. Philosophy itself requires some critical thinking. Seems like we just have a different threshold to what can be considered critical thinking, but objective thinking is required.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay, fair enough. I'm responding too fast. I edited my statement based on your edit, so please re-read before responding so we can be on the same page.