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What's the consensus among the alt-right here?

1) Do you agree Lukashenko is corrupt and skewed the election?

2) Does this matter to you that the people don't get a say?

3) Do you feel it is for the greater good that he remains head of state?

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    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

    A man who compared himself and his country to Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany.

    He's the most Based Head of State left in Clown World.

    Seems to me Hitler and his actions did far more damage to the far-right and subsequent alt-right as a whole. You would likely have far more supporters if he didn't genocide Jews. In addition, he was a meth and opiate addict, and systematically exterminated even thousands of whites in the Slavic community. Not sure why he is someone anyone here would look up to.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    In addition, he was a meth and opiate addict

    He took meth the way kids take adderall these days, for pure function and efficiency. They were prescribed by his doctor, and in small doses too which wouldn't get him high. The meth was legal at the time, widely used, and almost certainly helpful. Later in his war his doctor started sabotaging him with high dose iv morphine, meth, various cocktails of vitamins, and this continued till the doctor was finally removed.

    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    and in small doses too which wouldn't get him high

    This just isn't true. We even have a recording of him tweaking at the 1936 Summer Olympics.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC6zUcZJcDM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2mCPNvTaAflJA7XT8pw_-D37qUWmfgufcBTobzi2Ffzs6G7kGRm1SpNY8

    [–]FuckKikes 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    I'm pretty sure this was because of a stomach-ache he was having, if the only proof that this was him on meth is Joe Rogan, who supported a Jew for president, I'm not too sure if I trust this

    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I'm pretty sure this was because of a stomach-ache he was having

    Source for this? Because he is behaving exactly like one tweaking on meth, especially how he is tapping his knee.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I do this sober ngl

    [–]FuckKikes 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    he is behaving exactly like one tweaking on meth

    Source for this?

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

    systematically exterminated even thousands of whites in the Slavic community.

    No Slavs were killed by Nazis for being Slavs.

    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

    They actually were. He saw Slavs as inferior, so they were worked in labor camps and thousands exterminated.

    Adolf Hitler, who regarded Jews and Slavs as subhuman, considered Ukraine and its people as resources to be exploited ruthlessly in the interests of German eastward expansion and world domination. His views were enthusiastically supported by top Nazi officials, notably Erich Koch, head of the Reichskommissariat Ukraine. Those officials overrode the objections of others, such as Alfred Rosenberg, head of the Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, who favored the establishment of German dominance by means of concessions to the non-Russian Slavs. Nazi racial theory, the ideological basis for the criminal mistreatment of the Eastern European peoples, was openly expressed in such publications as the SS pamphlet Der Untermensch (1942).

    http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CN%5CA%5CNaziwarcrimesinUkraine.htm

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Believing Slavs as inferior and the fact that slavs died during the war doesn't mean slavs were killed for being slavs. The only civilian killings that were tolerated were reprisals for partisan sabotage. Look at the images in Der Untermensch, they depicts asiastic people in the east not white slavs.

    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Slavic civilians were sent to concentration/labor camps because they were viewed as inferior. Where they proceeded to be systematically exterminated through starvation or execution, a similar treatment the Jews received. Being Slav was therefore one of the many prerequisites for such an unfortunate outcome.

    [–]Ethnosomniator 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    who is paying you to lie so brazenly? I've spoken to Slavic survivors of both Nazis and marxist/jew camps. Their verdict was clear.

    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Your anecdotes mean very little compared to the multiple sources I've cited supporting my claim.

    [–]Ethnosomniator 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    You mean the sources you didn't even read?

    The state of the left: "It's in here, I'm sure" It's quite an abysmal state of discourse and the reason more and more people don't trust the media who, like you, simply spread a gospel they deem the good news.

    Is lying something you are proud of or is it just a tactical tool you use while holding your nose?

    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    The quote I already linked saying you're wrong...

    Adolf Hitler, who regarded Jews and Slavs as subhuman, considered Ukraine and its people as resources to be exploited ruthlessly in the interests of German eastward expansion and world domination. His views were enthusiastically supported by top Nazi officials, notably Erich Koch, head of the Reichskommissariat Ukraine. Those officials overrode the objections of others, such as Alfred Rosenberg, head of the Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, who favored the establishment of German dominance by means of concessions to the non-Russian Slavs. Nazi racial theory, the ideological basis for the criminal mistreatment of the Eastern European peoples, was openly expressed in such publications as the SS pamphlet Der Untermensch (1942).

    http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CN%5CA%5CNaziwarcrimesinUkraine.htm

    Seriously, try to keep up.

    [–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Also check the treatment of Bandera (Ukraine) and Sima (Romania), not to mention that Bandera's brothers were assassinated in concentration camps. And the Jasenovac concentration camp where Serbs were literally annihilated.

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Jasenovac concentration camp was not run by Nazis.

    [–]asterias 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    My point is that Nazis didn't object the Yasenovac concentration camp and the genocide in Yugoslavia because the Serbs were considered an inferior race by the Croatians. While in Romania they agreed to the persecution of the Iron Guard for the alleged mistreatment of Jews.

    [–]JuliusCaesar225Nationalist + Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That does't make any sense. Nazis themselves were engaged with mistreatment of Jews. Are you implying Nazis were more concerned for the well being of Jews than Slavs? If they persecuted the Iron Guard for mistreatment of Jews then they had an ulterior motive and used mistreatment of Jews as an excuse.

    Croatians themselves are slavs. Nazis had more important things to worry about that what Croats were doing in concentration camps.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://imgur.com/a/l8dO7ZP

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12690

    [–]Ethnosomniator 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Again, cool it with the antiaryan remarks.

    You obviously are too lazy or stupid to take a look at der Untermensch, a pamphlet that makes it abundantly clear that it was not about race but culture or rather a foreign hostile elite imposing that culture. Even so, the writ was deemed too offensive and publication was canceled.

    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    You would likely have far more supporters if he didn't genocide Jews.

    Well he didn't*, so...

    *this is readily admitted by mainstream "Holocaust historians"

    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    They have suggested the Holocaust was a result of pressures that came from both above and below and that Hitler lacked a master plan, but was the decisive force behind the Holocaust.

    Your source says he was. Or, at least, the major factor influencing the events which occurred.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    He didn't provide a source. He provided a wikipedia entry to help you understand historiography.

    [–]SoylentCapitalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, technically wikipedia is a source itself as it also includes sources at the bottom where the entirety of the data in the entry is derived from.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Only because he lost.

    [–]Ethnosomniator 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Voted down for extreme lying.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    1) Do you agree Lukashenko is corrupt and skewed the election?

    Corrupt no but skewed possibly

    2) Does this matter to you that the people don't get a say?

    Not at all, most people are idiots

    3) Do you feel it is for the greater good that he remains head of state?

    Yes, we don't need another fucking color revolution led by the jews

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      [–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Belarus will either stay a Russian puppet state or become an American puppet. Actually, I tend to believe the latter is worse.

      And unfortunately this is the situation with many countries along the same axis. The strange thing is that USA offers clandestine support to many leftist movements in these countries.

      [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      There is 0 chance of America making any meaningful play on Belarus (or in general) under our current administration.

      [–]EinmuetigeErhebung 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      According to most Belarusians and Russians I've seen online, the election was certainly rigged but it is impossible to know to what extent. It does seem to me that he has lost support of most of the population, and his rule is unsustainable. That's unfortunate, as he's a pretty based leader.

      However, I don't think this is at all like Maidan. Belarus is much less pro-western than the Ukraine and Russia would make a big mistake by behaving aggressively and defending Lukashenko. Such an attitude might radicalize the population against Russia and make Belarusians as rabidly pro-globohomo as Ukrainians are. Lukashenko will probably have to go, and his successor will likely be as pro-russian as he is, if not more.

      Western hyenas are of course smelling blood and wish to use the situation to install a puppet government. If they do that, then Russia will have no option other than invading, jt would be insane for them not to do so. If Putin can't even manage to keep a majority russian-speaking artificially created country which historically was barely distinguishible from Russians themselves in Russia's sphere, he's done and so is Russia's resistance to the western cancer. If Belarus falls, it will be a matter of time before Russia does too.

      Social Media is going insane with calls for "revolution" and full of "fellow Belarusians" trying to incite a bloodbath. The state of the world is absolutely disgusting.

      [–]arainynightinskyrim 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Oy vey fellow belarussians.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/For_Slavs/comments/i7phbr/picture_from_the_anti_government_protests_in/

      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      If Belarus falls, it will be a matter of time before Russia does too.

      I don't buy that.

      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I hope the liberals get crushed.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Based, same

      [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      anyone being gayopped by the cia is a friend of mine

      [–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      1) Do you agree Lukashenko is corrupt and skewed the election?

      If he did I don't care. And I don't think he is corrupt, at least not by eastern Europe standards. Corruption over there is on a wholly different scale. The best choice the have as of now.

      2) Does this matter to you that the people don't get a say?

      No democracy =/= people not getting a say. A large amount of them support Lukashenko and most of the dissidence and protesting is because of US manipulation.

      3) Do you feel it is for the greater good that he remains head of state?

      No clue but from what I've seen he's the best they're gonna get for the forseeable future. Much better than the anti-putin Amerishill chick they tried to elect.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      1) I don't know, both people who agree or disagree don't know either, it's just a matter of who you believe more.

      Do I believe with all (neo)conservative, (neo)liberal, socialist and NGO publications + gay governments around the west? No.

      2) People on the streets are foreign puppets. Even if you take the number of being 200k protesters, that's 2% of the people, and if we make assumption that 90% of people didn't show up on protests, that'd be 20% of people, which would fall in line with the election results.

      Please note that both of these are very generous figures, I don't believe there was 200k people and I don't believe majority of people didn't show up.

      3) Yes, opposition leaders are gay western puppets.