Protestantism

submitted by weaselWhite Nationalist from self.debatealtright

I have noticed that protestantism is less popular in the alt right than traditional catholicism and orthodoxy. I have also seen many people describe the protestant reformation as the origin of modernity and the reason why we are in this terrible state today. Do you agree with this view, and do you know of any articles on this topic?

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    [–]weaselWhite Nationalist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Great explanation, thank you!

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm Catholic but I've spoken to many great and well informed Prots in the Alt-Right. They do exist. Protestantism can attract the extreme individualist type so I can see why they aren't a massive force in the Alt-Right. Also given the, at times, extreme types of philo-Semitism you tend to find among Prots our attitudes towards Jews might also be a bridge many simply cannot cross.

    [–]Wrangel 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Catholicism is Roman tradition and esthetics, Greek theology and jewish scripture. The reformation was a revolution against the first two and wanted the focus to be entirely on jewish scripture, it was a revolt against everything European in Catholicism.

    One huge difference between Protestantism and Catholicism is that protestantism doesn't value the church, there isn't the same sense of community. In Catholicism you are a part of a group, a community and your relationship is primarily between you and your parish and church. In protestantism it is you and god, meaning you are an individual and not bound to other people. This is an essential part of every leftist subversion ever since, from the removal of hierarchy, the focus on rights, feminism and socialism. The modern form of secular protestantism is you and the state, not you and your family and community. If you feel like a women then you are a women if there is no absolute truth, no priest and no community that decides these matters.

    Remove priests and church tradition and the bible becomes Rorschach test and an inverted religion. You are no longer looking up to God and taking in the divine, you are commanding god and telling god what you think. Protestantism leads to people first forming and opinion and then using the bible to justify it. I grew up in the church of Sweden which I left in my teens. Instead of it being an actual religion it is just whatever the state decides people should think and then the church finds a way to justify it. 300 years ago God was mostly concerned with the Baltic sea being swedish, today God is mainly concerned with trannys and Somalians. There is absolutely nothing higher with it, from the architecture to the theology it is just a massive step down.

    [–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Great comment especially the Rorschach point which made me laugh.

    [–]Mr9to5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think it’s a very popular thing because Evola promotes it. It probably also is a byproduct of Russian promotion of the Orthodox church. I think their arguments are based on fallacious thinking - but understandably popular because Christian Zionism has very fluidly entered most Protestant denominations at the lay level and in turn, drove neoconservativism. Also practically, I think much of the Leftism of the End White Privilege kind is partially a secularization of the Christian missionary project. It can be tempting to say that if you eliminate the Protestantism, you eliminate the problem.

    I think it’s a fallacy because while this has spread among all Protestant sects, it’s really a product of a minority of them. Most Protestants throughout history if you dropped this crap in their laps, would view it with contempt.

    As a person of almost entirely German ethnic heritage who is into the Folkish thing, I see Protestantism as sort of a first flowering of the Folkish idea. Luther declares the right to be independent of Rome and to incorporate his people’s language and culture into religion. Later, as the Germans experience the tug of Reformation and Counter-Reformation, they discover their inherent bent towards mysticism on both the Catholic and Protestant side, in the writings of the Rhineland Mystics and Angelus Silesius. They discover Freedom is an internal state, as well as a political state and appreciate the role of internal depth in maintaining external hierarchy, just as much as Evola. As the German churches flower, some begin to develop ideals like the Amish, that have kept them culturally unchanged to this day and we have at least a little to learn from... even if few of us would full on copy them. The Kantian project also exists as an heir to the tradition going in a different direction, towards Schopenhauer and more politically radical, Alfred Rosenberg - the former representing the full philosophical negation of the inner ideals of the Old Testament, while the latter represents a first, if now de facto banned, experiment in developing a post-Christian conception of the Right that incorporates what’s internal to Christianity and all of our past traditions - Hinduism, paganism, Greece, Rome.

    [–]Minedwe 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Blaming our situation today on Protestantism is untrue. I can understand disliking Protestantism on a personal or even a political level but blaming it for our current issues is simply untrue, there are many other events and movements that have contributed or even outright directly caused them. I think another large part of this is the conflation of bizarre and little-accepted pseudo-Christian cults and Zionist-infected churches with Protestantism as a whole. The issue here is that unlike most Catholic or Orthodox groups, there is no hierarchy among Protestantism because it is not a unified thing but rather a large blanket group of many sects of Christianity.