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[–]antireddit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I dont doubt that a horrible genocide occurred, but show us the proof it was 6 million. It was in the midst of a war that killed 60-70 million people in some of the most horrible ways imaginable, in which both sides waged total war and intentionally targeted civilians. I mean we intentionally turned Dresden into a giant oven that roasted tens of thousands of German civilians alive, mostly women and children, not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Where I'm skeptical are the actual numbers, which supposedly are based on census figures, which seems like a ridiculously imprecise way to come up with such a definitive number that has been unchanged since the end of the war. I mean obviously the post war census is going to be much lower than a pre war one, as huge numbers of Jews fled Europe and/or went into hiding, or were understandably reluctant to answer census questions immediately following the war. In addition birth rates during a war when people are starving and people went into hiding and large numbers of Jews went into concentration camps would be lower, and death rates from natural causes substantially higher. There are so many variables here that could be ignored or manipulated to goose the numbers if you go the census route.

Normally death tolls almost always end up being far lower than initially estimated. Many Jews themselves seem to be particularly fond of severely whittling down the numbers of the Holodomir, from 15 million to recent highly disputed claims of just 3 million. If census figures were so accurate for that time period and such a great way to come up with such a precise number for the holocaust, why wasnt the same true for the Holodomir?

Add to the fact the 6 million is a claim they have every reason to exaggerate, as they have been known to do, such as the Cossack uprising they historically claimed murdered a quarter million to 500,000 Jews, but is now generally believed to have killed 6 to 14k.

Also, we now know the death toll at Auschwitz was way off. It was amended in the 1990s from 4.5 million to 1 million. If they were so wrong on that number, how do we know the overall death toll isnt as equally inaccurate? Plus why didnt this error subtract from the overall death toll at ALL? They tried claiming it was the Poles that lied, but they themselves pushed the 4.5 million claim for decades, did they claim it was almost all Poles that were have alleged to have died then?

Then of course there is the subject of why so many people survived in "death camps" for years, at a time people were starving all across Europe. For a notoriously efficient and ruthless people hell bent on exterminating all Jews, the Nazis sure did suck at carrying out their "final solution".

I'm open minded on this subject, unlike the ones who claim no one must ever question the 6 million. I have no fondness for the Nazis, and dont doubt they were murderous towards Jews, but if you are going to claim no one can question the 6 million number, then shouldnt you provide fairly definitive proof of this?

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Apparently there was thousands of irreplaceable manuscripts destroyed in Dresden as well

http://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=1572