The reason we're being censored isn't because our ideas are too unspeakably evil to showcase. It's because if people saw us, they'd know we aren't bad people who deserve to be mistreated.

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[–]yesofcoursenaturally 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

More than once on reddit and elsewhere, I've had conversations like this:

X: Yesofcoursenaturally is a nazi, he HATES POC and wants to gas them all.

Me: Nope. I'm a slav, so nazism makes little sense for me. And I don't hate POC. I just think nations function better homogeneously. I'm in favor of majority black, asian, etc nations.

X: You're LYING. You hate them and want to kill them. Admit it!

Me: No, I actually want everyone to prosper. Whites, black, asians. I actually intensely dislike white leftists way more than black right-wingers. If they were both drowning I'd rescue the black.

X: You want to KILL THEM ALL.

Me: No, I just said...

X: Admit it! ADMIT! For fuck's sake admit it, I would RESPECT you if you just SAID it! I KNOW you think it!

Me: Not at all what I think. You sure you don't just need me to be a secret monster to make yourself feel better?

Like, no shit, the most raw visceral hatred I've ever gotten has come from me wishing other people well. My most controversial views - slavery, at the time, was no great scandal where blacks were concerned, because blacks were in such a state of savagery that the comparatively brief time under Western rule was more boon than curse - just makes people stop talking to me. But if I give my honest views AND say that nevertheless I'd like to see blacks succeed (I just have zero responsibility for making that happen) and talking about aspects of, say... Ethiopian history/culture I think is admirable, they lose their goddamn minds.

[–]bug-in-recovery 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

X: You're LYING. You hate them and want to kill them. Admit it!

Ha this reminds me of something from a Jared Taylor interview.

He spoke about talking with a liberal about average intelligence difference.

The liberal got super angry and exclaimed:

Well if that's true, I guess we'll just have to kill them all huh!?!?

Like bruh, calm down, no one is saying this.

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah. I'm very sure it's intentional on their part. The more you say 'No, you're wrong', the more evidence you provide that no you're not out for genocide, the angrier they get. It's not about what you actually are saying, it's about what they need you to be saying to feel better or justified.

[–]bug-in-recovery 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not about what you actually are saying

And even beyond this, it's not about truth at all.

This is why 13/50 is pointless, no shitlib will ever be convinced of anything by it.

Their beliefs are not based on facts or truth.

You can't be reasoned out of something you were never reasoned into to begin with.

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I use 13/50 as a conversation ender with leftists, not a dialog point. When someone tells me about white supremacy and the horrors of cops killing unarmed blacks, 13/50 is my reply. They know what it means, and they won't engage it. Which is fine: I don't want to talk to diehard leftists.

Other people are honestly unaware of facts like that, and it may help them. Middle of the road sorts, conservative normies. It's easy to forget that outside of subs like this, those stats are practically unheard of. Leftists get tongue-tied when they try to explain how being poor is why blacks commit so many more rapes.

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Slavs can be 3rd position. Italy was different from Germany was different from Mosley's English Fascism.

Third position is natural law, it will mold to fit your society and culture. Stop getting so hung up on off handed remarks by Uncle.

Also never debate them on their grounds. Just say you're pro white, they're anti-white. Don't try and grovel with fake equality.

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stop getting so hung up on off handed remarks by Uncle.

Who's hung up? I'm just honest. I'm sure slavs can be third position, but not all third positionists are nazis. No matter how similar they are.

Don't try and grovel with fake equality.

I never do - nothing I described was groveling. I'm just direct in what I believe, and I think every people should have their own nation. I do not lament the tremendous blackness of Ghana, or how utterly non-white Japan is. I don't think anyone on the right or far right does.