Can anything short of divine intervention, save the West and the planet at large?

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[–]yesofcoursenaturally 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

the West

It's probably going to require 'the West' changing and fracturing.

I have thought of paths to defeat the elite, but I wonder if there's any true will to do anything.

No elite ever get permanently defeated. You defeat plans, not elites. Elites always return. They're almost always terrible.

The only way to defeat the elite permanently is to escape them forever. The prospects get better the further Musk gets with his SpaceX project.

All this is happening because the wrong people won WW2. The ubermensch/ the messiah did come. His name was Adolf Hitler and the world killed him.

As much as I think Hitler made some good points, I'd think people should pause at the realization that slavs - which Hitler was no fan of - are pretty much the only ones having modern success stories, despite having Bolshevik and ideological control for an extended period.

We've got plenty of reason to have hope. A lot of people will be lost, on all sides. That's life.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Elites always return.

True but you can get new elites with new values. Elites aren't always going to be satanic child molesters. In fact we had quite a good run in Europe of the 'christian king' archetype. The nat socs had a military occult leadership group in charge for 12 years (which is ideal IMO).

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are some great elites historically, and even a few now, but the real point is that most people have very little say on who becomes elite. Short of a revolution, all anyone outside of that bubble can do is hope the ones who ascend are good people. And even in a revolution, the best you can determine is which elites disappear. Who takes their place is touchier.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

As much as I think Hitler made some good points, I'd think people should pause at the realization that slavs - which Hitler was no fan of - are pretty much the only ones having modern success stories, despite having Bolshevik and ideological control for an extended period.

No they're not. They're all part of the ZOG empire and they're allowed to be patriotic because they need to be a bulwark against Russia. Kotleba is the only nationalist anywhere near power, that's hardly anything to write home about.

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

No they're not.

I see them resisting immigration and wokeness in Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia, etc. Leftist Jews don't seem to like them much at all.

Germany is heavily cucked, but apparently ZOG doesn't care so much if they buy oil from Russia.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ZOG cared deeply about Nordstream 2. The US is outright sanctioning Germany and Russia but they don't care. American diktats don't carry the same weight anymore

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I see them resisting immigration and wokeness in Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia, etc.

"they're allowed to be patriotic because they need to be a bulwark against Russia"

Leftist Jews don't seem to like them much at all.

What about the Jignats? Get redpilled on FinkelThink

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

"they're allowed to be patriotic because they need to be a bulwark against Russia"

It goes way beyond patriotism in all of those countries, right down to resistance to LGBT ideology and more.

It's funny since I routinely hear that Jews totally control Russia too. Go figure.

Insofar as Hungary, Poland, etc, are friendly towards Zionists, I think that has more to do with American influence (and indirect Zionists) rather than internal Jews operating independently. If it wasn't for the US, I'm not sure how much of a shit they'd give.

What about the Jignats?

When I ran /arc on Reddit, I multiple times had orthodox Jews (probably the same guy a couple times) approach me, try to befriend me - me, on some small little quarantined sub - and talk about how they were on my side. Each and every time all I had to do was ask a few questions and it became clear how absolutely full of shit they were.

The point is: Jews will try to infiltrate and influence everything. Everything. It's a given. A fact of life.

Doesn't mean they succeed, and I don't think people always understand what success would look like. Getting people convinced that Jews are responsible for EVERYthing - even things they clearly aren't, or at least aren't alone with - undermines legitimate criticisms.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Just watch the video on Finkelstein, Birnbaum and Bannon. All these people you think are resisting ZOG have the same handlers as Trump, Reagan, Nixon and Netanyahu. Literally the exact same people.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

FTN lacks nuance, they see Jews in every shadows. Its not as simple as Orban is friends with Netanyahu, thus he wants to black hungary too! Small countries like Hungary, Poland, Romania, Czechia and Slovakia lack the economic or military might to truly be independent. They are already under pressure as it is due to their refusal to allow immigration from Africa.

These Zionist friendships are means to keep the US off their backs. If Orban tomorrow told Netanyahu to fuck off, I wouldn't be surprised if they launched mass sanctions against hungary and even invaded it. If an anti Jewish party came to power in a country, I wouldn't be suprised if the US outright invaded it.

Serbia is a good example, the US brutally bombed it for the crime of resisting Albanian terrorism. The nationalists in EE know it as well. They're not strong enough to truly be sovereign. Richard Spencer is right on this count, petty nationalism is a dead end.

Nationalism is only valid as long as it doesn't antagonize other whites. It has value if its for great nations. German, Russian or French nationlism is serious, Irish or Hungarian nationalism is somewhat of a joke. No one cares and no one is threatened.

The Austria-Hungarian Empire and Polish Commonwealth needs to come back

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

t. didn't watch the video. These people all got into power specifically because this group of 'political consultants' ran their campaigns.

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cringe.

14 for every european nation (including slavs).

Kosher Nationalism will take you for a ride, to a death camp.

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not sure who you think I think are 'resisting ZOG'. I'll watch the vid, but I'm under no delusions that Bannon or much of anyone else is doing anything but working within the confines and parameters they can, at best.

One thing people have to learn is that ZOG - and every other group - pivots. They change plans, they fall back to other strategies. Sometimes Jewish people throw their support behind something grudgingly, as a compromise.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

What kinds of questions?

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I screengrabbed and shared the conversation for one at the time - maybe I still have it somewhere. I used it as an example for the sub of what kind of bullshit people engage in.

And honestly: straightforward questions. What these guys would do was some kind of Jedi mind trick, where 'Look, I'm an orthodox Jew, I'm totally on your side, in fact most right-wing Jews totally agree with you about what you say, but the problem is you treat Jews as a collective and we're not. We're individuals. Bad Jews are just individuals, it's not a group. And besides, Jews are white, so of course we have an interest in how whites are treated.'

So I'd say, "Alright. So you reject anti-white hate? You reject talk of white privilege?" And the responses would be "Well, you see, a group should be able to be self-reflective. White privilege historically is a problem, whites have dominated some people, and you have to acknowledge that and talk about it. Some people are angry about those things, and they're not totally wrong."

I'd reply, "Alright. So you have no problem talking about Jewish privilege, the negative effects of Jews? Because you're grouping whites, and you said Jews are whites, so you're part of that conversation." And he'd say, no, Jews have never been part of that, we've been victims, we've been mistreated and excluded (Yes, this was more than once the same person who just got done telling me Jews are white so of course they're sympathetic to white issues.)"

This is when I'd tell them to fuck off and I hope their grandchildren all turn out like Saint Paul.

It was the cheapest neurolinguistic programming trick: someone says 'I'm on your side. You and me, we're allies. Now, here, do this, ally, to make me feel better. By the way I disagree with you about everything and you should change what you're saying but I'm on your side.'

Maybe it works on some people? Whoever falls for it really has to be wearing a football helmet while they eat their graham crackers and apple juice.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Thanks. Interesting approach.
I come from an aristocratic family and I know this IRL although I've never been so explicit/direct as you. I'm more a listener and nod kind of guy I guess. Subversive like them you could say :D
This is what marxist ideology does on the elite. Some might think it's an ideology for the poor but it seperates the elite from its own people and creates an allegiance between jiz and our elite. Because suddenly the jiz and our elite is "allied" fighting against the poor. It's like when the left attacks a cuckservative with a label like alt-right and the cuckservative starts accepting this label. The poor distances themselves from their own elite while the jiz tells the elite that they're their allies. It's a good move on their part.
I told a guy from another former-aristocratic family, who was acting cocky, arrogant and above everyone else because people whined about the jiz, that his entire attitude was of their making and showed him that he might think of them as allies but they're not. It hit him hard - like existentially hard.
They're so sneaky and smart though. It's actually impressive. Very destructive but fascinating. It's like they do everything you're not supposed to do but behind a shield acting as if it's a noble act. Motte and bailey style.
It's all about ethos and patos, and a good chunk of concern trolling. If they want A, they create an unrelated situation Q, where the propor response for you is A or something that will eventually lead to or move towards A.

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I come from an aristocratic family and I know this IRL although I've never been so explicit/direct as you.

A principle and underappreciated value of anonymity is the ability to be honest and direct, not just with others, but with oneself. I overdo it at times - there's value in being diplomatic, and I can get too punchy, too quick - but I don't think many people understand the value of real honesty in expressing one's thoughts. A big risk of being subversive is subverting yourself in the process. Our habits determine what we are.

They're so sneaky and smart though. It's actually impressive.

The odd thing is, I think that reputation is overblown. What I dealt with wasn't brilliance, it was clumsiness. Consistently.

In fact, the funny thing i: I spent most of my life having very high opinions of orthodox Jews. I was and still am principally Catholic, I was a National Review reader (even if I picked up American Conservative at launch), American Spectator, etc. Ben Stein was, to me, the principle example of an orthodox Jew, and I thought he took some valorous stances - on pro-life issues, on Intelligent Design, etc. So I was predisposed to think well and highly of them.

Then I started talking to them personally. One on one.

Maybe it's the fact that I'd talk to Israeli Orthodox Jews. They seem way more mask-off, because they're so used to being around (and fighting) fellow Jews. Suddenly I've got guys shitting on Christ without provocation while I'm trying to be nice in conversation, talking openly about how 'I'd die for my atheist liberal Jewish brothers, and Europe has to pay for their crimes against us' and so on. It's not subtle.

That said, they can be crafty, but I don't think it comes across well in debate/interaction. They shine when they get to control the message, and it's one way: a book, a movie, a press release, a quote, a statement. Symbols. And that's where the right has to do its work.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They're very good with symbols and they believe in all sorts of magic.
I never had your experience. To be honest my own personal experiences with them has made it extremely hard to accept alt-right ideas. What made me more susceptible was that I was brought up culturally Catholic in a culturally protestant country but was encouraged to be an atheist as a teenager. I was madly into science, einstein etc. I studied all kinds of big thinkers and philosophy too. I stumbled upon some youtube personalities that were fun to watch, don't hate me!, and then I had you guys memeing everywhere and factually destroying everyone on the topics I cared to research. But you guys wouldn't stop about the jiz. And I couldn't get myself to research that topic because I was and still am scared that I might agree. But when I looked at all the personalities that I'd watched, they were part of the jiz, and they were hypocritical as you guys were pointing out, and all - or most of - my heroes from my teenage years, also jiz. I always thought they were white. And then I learned that judaism isn't just a religion but an ethnoreligion. I never cared, I always thought they just believed in the old testament and not the new. The thing is that the jiz in my family and friends are very anti-immigration and hate arabs. I'm currently in the cognitive dissonance stage, you could say.

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The people that fall for it are wearing a red hat

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By elites i'm implying the current class of Jewish-globalist elites. They have to be eliminated. New elites will obviously come, but it can't be them or worse