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[–]SoCo 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

I remember when they falsely declared Stage 3 clinical trials completed, but they weren't. They had just pressured the regulators to okay bypassing stage 3 clinical trials due to emergency authorization.

They lied to us and told us that there was no need for full Stage 3 long term safety clinical trials, because there were so many participants....yet no amount of people can make up for the time part of long term testing; that was always a dangerous deception.

They silently continued actual (accelerated) Stage 3 clinical trials, which were scheduled to end a couple months ago (and did). Yet the results were bad almost immediately, so they declared it inhumane to use actual double blind studies as cover, and un-blinded the trial, botching the whole thing, and silently finished up last December without publishing the results.

The results, still, were very bad, but you can only find studies referencing the results, not the results themselves.

I was lied to and will be lucky to live another year due to the damages.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

They had just pressured the regulators to okay bypassing stage 3 clinical trials due to emergency authorization.

Nope. They've done stage 3 trials:

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389

[–]SoCo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Wrong

Pfizer's Stage 3 clinical trial technically has still not completed yet (and never will)!

See your own source:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746

Estimated Study Completion Date : February 24, 2023

...yet actually, they gave up and simply didn't finish it, they only reported on efficiency, which is not really part of phase 3 clinical trials:

Actual Primary Completion Date : March 5, 2021

The link that got me perma-banned from r/Science...

Johns Hopkins University's comparison of standard versus Accelerated Vaccine approval schedules (content has been changed in last year, big surprise):

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline

As I mentioned, Moderna's phase 3 clinical trial had just finally actually completed in December 2022, despite questionable disregard for all scientific controls.

Like Pfizer's criminally deceptive declaration you posted of "concluding" (ie scrapping the regulatory need to complete before public use) for their Phase 3 long term safety testing clinical trials, we were also lied to and told Modern's Phase 3 safety testing was completed in late 2020, as well.

Yet, as you see, neither were completed yet!

At that time, the FDA has simply declared they had shown enough to bypass the completion of phase 3 clinical trials, on an emergency basis. No amount of test subjects can replace the 'time' part of long term safety testing. It is well known that many issues wont present themselves until a year or two later.

Pfiser's press release that you linked, is a fine example of deceptive fraud.

Their fraudulently deceptive press release about safety testing results, focuses on "efficiency," yet you don't get to phase 3 clinical trials without first proving efficiency, as phase 3 safety testing is too risky, if it isn't going to help anyways.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Wrong

Pfizer's Stage 3 clinical trial technically has still not completed yet (and never will)!

Safety data milestone required by U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) has been achieved

See your own source:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746

Pfizer is the first link. That one is Astrazeneca.

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Safety data milestone required by U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)

That's stage one clinical trials and somewhat stage two (which is also safety).

Long term safety is stage 3.

The safety data "milestone" they are deceptively referring to, is the FDA's emergency side stepping of stage 2 and 3 clinical trials before using the vaccines.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The safety data "milestone" they are deceptively referring to, is the FDA's emergency side stepping of stage 2 and 3 clinical trials before using the vaccines.

Nope. They're talking about this:

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-takes-key-action-fight-against-covid-19-issuing-emergency-use-authorization-first-covid-19

37,000 participants. Your phase 2 trials are 50 or 100 people. This is phase 3. Randomised, controlled, larger numbers.

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Phase 3 doesn't need a ton of people, but 100 seems quite small. More people doesn't help it complete faster. It is long term safety and numbers can't make up for time. Thinking it can, is the deception.

Unfortunately, Moderna UN-randomised/controlled their phase 3 when the results started going into the shitter right away.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

More people doesn't help it complete faster.

No. More people shows that it's phase 3 and not phase 2.

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No one here had ever mentioned phase 2, but we were specifically citing phase 3, so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Under the accelerated safety approval plan, phase 2 and phase 3 are done concurrently (ie at the same time).

Safety testing is about safety, and only a very small amount about efficiency. If you think long safety testing requirements are all about efficiency, then you've fell for the low-effort misdirection that the public seems to get suckered by every time.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]SMCAB 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Hey Guys, nobody is dying from the vaccines. Actually not told me so. He was told by Don Lemon. Case closed.

[–]BISH 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The vaccines were planned to kill people.

It's not a bug. It's a primary feature.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

65% of the world is fully vaccinated and 75% have at least one dose.

Will the population drop by 65% or 75%?

When will this happen?

[–]Questionable 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Jokes on you. As you can never be "Fully Vaccinated". Trust the science.

[–]BISH 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's funny, because it's true.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So you can never be killed by the vaccine?

[–]Questionable 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yagh, sure. Why not? However you came to that conclusion, it is sure to contain logic. Of some form....

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Either the vaccinations are causing damage, in which case one or two doses area sufficient, and we should be seeing the effects on global population. Or some other "fully vaccinated" bar need to be hit, in which case there's no danger.

[–]BISH 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Will the population drop by 65% or 75%?

They won't drop dead, but they've probably shortened their lives. Plus infertility.

When will this happen?

It's started already.

IIRC, in Germany the all ages death rate is up 26%. It's underreported everywhere.

In 2020 they reported every death from every situation. Now they can't be bothered to do an autopsy.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They won't drop dead, but they've probably shortened their lives. Plus infertility.

So 75% of the world is infertile. If the 25% are independent, that's about 94% of couples.

They're not, but we will be experiencing a drop in birth rates of something between 75% and 94%

Recent years that the United States birth rate increased from the previous year are 2023,2022,2021,2020 and 2019.

It's started already.

This must be some new meaning of "infertility" if its started already.

In 2020 they reported every death from every situation. Now they can't be bothered to do an autopsy.

I think you're mistaken about that too.

[–]BISH 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks /u/socks.

99% of what you claim is disinformation.
I know I'm over the target when you try to debunk the specifics.

You're an inverse fact/checker. The demon who always lies, and therefore reveals the truth.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks /u/socks.

What are you smoking?

Based on no evidence, and despite socks and my differing interests, time zones and overlapping time here, you lie that there's only one person in the world who could disagree with your other lies?

I'm sorry to hear that. It's truly pathetic. Are you okay? What made you abandon all self respect?

99% of what you claim is disinformation. I know I'm over the target when you try to debunk the specifics.

I've linked to the source data. You're welcome to provide data that you think is more correct.

But "no your data is wrong, and I'm basing that on literally nothing" is also pathetic.

You're an inverse fact/checker. The demon who always lies, and therefore reveals the truth.

Oh, the irony.

[–]Questionable 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

It's a nice cover story. But, the mRNA vaccines are decades old. And deadly. So if the chemical composition of the 'vaccines' where compromised, that could actually IMPROVE the recipients survival rate.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

But, the mRNA vaccines are decades old.

What?

No, the Moderna and Pfizer covid-19 vaccines were the first to use the technology.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I stand corrected. There were in vivo MRNA vaccines for rabies used on humans in 2013.

Which is still not "decades" old.

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You chose the date of first known human trials according to Wikipedia. Seems a bit of an abstract date to use. But I will allow it.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Are unknown human trials a thing in your world?

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yes. As I can't find you a link to the earlier military trials.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Military vaccinations, huh?

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The military absolutely loves to perform medical experiments on the enlisted. The victims often don't even know they were experimented on. Nobody gets out without being experimented on.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Vaccinations huh?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Not exactly.

He says that because they needed to be out there saving lives of people dying of covid, it was better to do that than see what side effects that there might be in 2 years.

As it turns out, the side effects hit within about a month, and they're less deadly than covid infection.

[–]bucetao6969 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's what I thought.

When it came to old people, I understood. But teenagers and adults? Couldn't we wait more for more safety?

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They did wait more for those groups here

[–]bucetao6969 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What's your country (if you don't mind me asking)

In my country public and private institutions demanded people have the vacinne. I have no problem with the masks but demand the vaccine so soon was absurd

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To clarify, adults and then teenagers were allowed to have the vaccine later. There was never a federal mandate here.

We certainly had private institutions requiring their workforce be vaccinated. And public institutions, by that mechanism, for that matter.

People have a legal right not to be at risk at work here, so having your workforce not infecting each other had less potential liability for employers.

But you could quit if you had more fear of needles than pandemics.

I have no problem with the masks but demand the vaccine so soon was absurd

Vaccines are pretty good at having people not die. And there was (and is) a lot of death from Covid.

[–]WoodyWoodPecker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

BLOOD CLOTS! DIED SUDDENLY!

[–]Skankhunter42 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bill Gates attacked by The Three Stooges: https://youtu.be/iK6SS8CXYZo