Elon Musk says the Request to Turn on Starlink in Crimea Came from the Ukrainian Government in the Middle of the Night "We figured out that this was kind of like a Pearl Harbor like attack...So they really asked us to proactively take part in a major act of war"

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[–]xolotltlalo[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

OK so basically Zelenskyy (why why?) completely by-passed the Biden Administration (officially†), and otherwise attempted to hijack strategic US industry for acts of war.

And the Pentagon is pissed at Elon ??! lollll

#stayclassy

† Biden probably ordered Zelenskyy to contact Elon directly - because Zelenskyy is a puppet - and it must never be officially known the the Biden Administration is pressuring private industry (CNN, facebook, old-Twitter, etc.) like the Fascist regime it is.

[–]makesyoudownvote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think you have that backwards. Biden is the puppet, Zelenskyy is a clown (literally a comedian) but not really a puppet in that way.

Zelenskyy is doing what's best for HIS country and doing a decent job at that, but he just doesn't really have the luxury of considering global politics. We shouldn't give in to Zelenskyy on everything not because he's not a good leader or smart enough, but because he isn't always acting in the best interests of the U.S. and NATO, but Ukraine alone.

Biden is a mindless bureaucrat that got to where he is just by playing it safe and not disrupting anything his whole career. He doesn't scratch his ass without first checking with the DNC.

Zelenskyy probably realized, rightly so that going to Musk directly was more likely to yield the quick results he wanted as Musk doesn't exactly follow what the federal government tells him. He's a maverick with a savior complex and is more than willing to go around government if he thinks it's for the greater good. What he didn't count on was that Musks idea of the greater good isn't caught up in the same whirlwind as everyone else. He's more scared of the nuclear option than he is a war of attrition on the other side of the globe because he's not an idiot.

[–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Zelensky can hardly be considered "an independent actor", when he is forever operating under the full knowledge that if he "betrays" the Banderites, they will kill him. Not politically, literally. Either he obeys what these lunatics want, or they will put a bullet in him. To say he's doing what's best for his country, one would have to assume that what's best for the Banderites is in the best interests of Ukraine. That's a very questionable premise.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it's not clear whether you're using the term ironically or not, but stepan bandera and the banderites are part of world war two history and not an actual group active today.

There's not some mystery league of shadow men whose manipulations are keeping the Ukrainian people in arms.

Ukraine is fighting it's invaders and occupiers. Turns out, you don't need to imagine a world war two phenomenon to explain why Ukraine is fighting back today.

[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, they ARE a significant part of the country are they not?

Even taking everything you say at face value that wouldn't invalidate any part of my comment.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

America's defense contractor StarShield took the positive step to deactivate starlink over Sevastopol. Elon decided that the black sea fleet should have his protection when they fire missiles at grain ports and civilians. Elon perpetuated the war by taking the positive step to implement a geofence over Sevastopol.

The war could have been over, or been in a totally different state by now, if America"s defense contractor StarShield did not take the proactive (and escalatory) step to whitelist the black sea missile launchers

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, they needed him to act not just carry on as normal.

Otherwise they wouldn't have contacted him.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right, they needed him to reverse the step he had previously taken to enact a geofence over Sevastopol.

Elon had already decided that the missile launchers of the black sea were under his, and therefore US defense contractor StarShield's protection. That's a warmongery and escalatory step, especially as those boats kill civilians, destroy the grain ports which feed the third world and ESPECIALLY because they tried to start another war with Liberia. Elon could have literally caused a new war against Liberia because he chose to protect terrorist assets of a terrorist regime. It's a super problematic decision by Elon

https://saidit.net/s/Antiwar/comments/bgta/the_z_warmongers_tried_to_start_another_war/

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also - "middle of the night" - how pathetic. Give me a break. Maybe Elon, during their phone calls, should have asked Putin to only prosecute his war during US east coast daylight hours.

What a pathetic pedo (which means dickhead where he comes from)

[–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I know this isn't Esquire, but Elon looks like absolute shit.

I don't know whose fault it is, but if you plan a military action, making sure there is connectivity seems like a priority. So, either the Ukrainians are idiots or Elon is a traitor or the US is an asshole. If you know which one of the three is true with concrete proof, please let me know.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Elon is a traitor

It's this

And it was widely reported before this current autobiography

You can Google: "starlink Crimea before:2023" to see previous reporting.

Examples

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/11/20/ukraine-russia-war-internet-musk-starlink-space-x/

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-blocks-starlink-in-crimea-amid-nuclear-fears-report-2022-10

Elon took the positive decision to take the action to geofence Crimea and the black sea fleet

His protection of the fleet will have caused hundreds of civilian deaths from missiles, untold hunger through blowing up grain ports - they blew up NATO state Romania and tried to start a war with Liberia. Their presence is escalatory and they directly had Elon's seal of protection

Elon brags about his direct phone calls with Putin

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1579941475613229056

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1579879154463690752

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

It was my understanding that the Pentagon took over part of Star Link in order for Elon to not have to meet extra ITAR regulations. That's why the information that Starlink didn't work came as a surprise. Either Elon still had control (contrary to it being under the control of the Pentagon) or the Pentagon fucked up or the tech just doesn't work (highly unlikely). So, who controls Star Link in Ukraine and the Black Sea?

I wonder whether the US government briefs all the billionaires about what to do when Putin calls them, because an unsuspecting billionaire by definition is on a dead list after Putin has called. Either Putin will kill them if they don't cooperate or they will kill them when they stop cooperating or Putin will just make an example out of them and since the US government can't provide protection 24/7 it's just a matter of time. Then again, perhaps Putin is "fair" and only kills people that he knows with certainty that conspired against him. I don't know, but it seems fairly complicated to be a dictator. Putin is a small person. I really don't get why some random person in his vicinity doesn't just kill him. I am not necessarily calling for his death (because of forum regulations), but I just mean that I am surprised it doesn't happen. How does Putin live? Does he ever get outside? Is he just hiding in a bunker? How many people see him on a distance of less than one km? $10,000 Sniper rifles can kill easily at over a mile. So, what's the problem with a JFK-style killing?

I don't consider businessinsider to be a credible source. I am not saying it's straight up misinformation either, but it's just not that credible as a medium.

Elon took the positive decision to take the action to geofence Crimea and the black sea fleet

He claimed this was because of ITAR. There is an analogue with Iron Man which also didn't want his technology to be under the control of a government. I think the story in the media that Star Link is not meant as a weapons platform is a lie. I think it was uniquely designed to be a weapons platform, because of its architecture.

Star Link is like saying the Death Star was designed to be a vacation resort. Many properties of Star Link are exactly what a weapons designer would design if the goal were to build something for the military. This can be easily seen, because his competition does not use as many satellites for global coverage. Star Link is much more expensive than its civilian systems, which means its design must have had war in mind during its design.

Within 4 years after its inception the US Airforce already was involved. That seems awfully quickly, if Musk had no government contacts. I think Elon Musk is just a front for the military industrial complex/government to put weapons systems in space under the cover of "but we are helping poor people in Africa". The possibilities of a system like Starlink are endless. For example, you can build some extremely precise and virtually unjammable version of GPS for missile guidance. You could even add a space laser in some future version and nobody would know it's there until some day they are vaporized from space. It's also possible to use it as a sensor platform capable of tracking every missile launch of your adversaries from space. Since I can think of these options in a minute, it's likely they did too.

In this light, it would not surprise me if it was just a show to hide the fact that Starlink is just a US military asset. The same could be said for SpaceX, because why would an airforce general accept a fucking civilian to have better tech than they do. It doesn't make sense. Even for national security that's undesirable. "Commercial space" is just a lie, because the moment you become better than the military version your technology is acquired one way or another. Any technology that can fuck up the status quo is immediately kept secret (secret patents are a thing). For example, hydrogen cartridges are such a technology. Sometimes they get released again, but of course somewhere there are patents for things that are so far beyond the start-of-the-art that they need to be silenced.

In short, Starlink was designed to be a weapons platform and the ITAR defense is probably a lie.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

You're suggesting a lot of conspiracy theories.

Here's six fake conspiracy theories that you just shoved in my face.

Normally I'll entertain the saidit chuds when they invent one or two fake conspiracies in their comments. But not this many at once.

Try and invent fewer fake conspiracy theories if you want me to take you seriously

Here's just a handful I identified from a scan read

Each are fake, totally invented conspiracies which come from your brain and have zero evidence

  1. You're theorising a conspiracy in which the pentagon have some level of secret control over starlink

  2. Elon has a secret itar reason for protecting the fleet instead of his publicly announced reason (it crosses Elon's imaginary red lines of escalation)

  3. Starlink was secretly designed as a weapon platform

  4. There's something weirdly fast about a four (!) year turnaround on star shield

  5. Elon is a secret front for the government

  6. Air force generals do not allow civilian aerospace to be better than them and secretly intervene

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I don't have access to next generation classified spy satellites capable of recording the life of every person on Earth, so unfortunately, I don't have evidence for what I believe the most consistent explanation for the data.

You are free to disprove anything I have stated.

If I build a "birth day candle" with the explosive yield of a small nuclear weapon, most people would say I have designed a bomb. It's the same with Starlink. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

An efficient version of Starlink would look differently (feel free to find all its competitors and see whether you can determine which one I mean, so the only logical solution is that Starlink is a weapons platform, because there is no point in large investment without a return.

Any technology better than the military has, has historically been instantly banned. This is a fact. We do not live in a free society.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

You are free to disprove anything I have stated.

Lol

the only logical solution is that Starlink is a weapons platform

I have no idea what you're suggesting really.

Rod from god?

Are you saying there's a chance I might see a rod from god during my lifetime? Oh please jesus

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

A weapons platform that is only a targeting platform or a military communications platform is still a weapons platform.

I don't think it's rod from God. The possibilities for Starlink are much more sophisticated. I have mentioned some, but if you don't have the creativity to fill in the blanks, you shouldn't be in this conversation, because it feels more like a monologue anyway.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

It feels like creative fiction writing, because it is

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

You didn't explain how Starlink uses many thousands of satellites when their competition (capable of higher bandwidth) can do with tens. Is your explanation that SpaceX is retarded? Not saying I disagree, but at least say something.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I think you're asking me a question about bandwidth and satellite count? But you're phrasing it as "you didn't explain yet how..."

What data did you use to inform your opinion about bandwidth and satellite count? What observations did you make, that indicated something was amiss here.

Why the fuck are you expecting me to pull some answer out my ass? If you have seen data and made your own observations, then do your own research bro.

I'm not telling you that starlink is or isn't whatever you're imagining. DYOR and let us know how it goes

[–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought it was just a few Ukranian drones people act like he was going to sink the whole Russian fleet.