Elon Musk says the Request to Turn on Starlink in Crimea Came from the Ukrainian Government in the Middle of the Night "We figured out that this was kind of like a Pearl Harbor like attack...So they really asked us to proactively take part in a major act of war"

submitted by xolotltlalo from twitter.com

sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I think you're asking me a question about bandwidth and satellite count? But you're phrasing it as "you didn't explain yet how..."

What data did you use to inform your opinion about bandwidth and satellite count? What observations did you make, that indicated something was amiss here.

Why the fuck are you expecting me to pull some answer out my ass? If you have seen data and made your own observations, then do your own research bro.

I'm not telling you that starlink is or isn't whatever you're imagining. DYOR and let us know how it goes

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I invested for a while in a satellite company and as such I did the research. I know that Starlink sucks from a civilian service economic perspective. I invited you to explain to me how it would not suck (clearly impossible, because I already know it to be false). As such, there can be only one valid conclusion, which is that Starlink has government involvement hidden from the public eye.

Starlink is a great military system; it's a shitty civilian system. How is that so hard to comprehend? I am just looking at it as if I were a foreign military analyst.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Ok well if you have any data or observations to share then go ahead.

Let's see.

You're saying that other internet satellite companies can do with tens of satellites, the same tasks for which starlink desires thousands.

As all Kerbal engineers are aware,

  • orbital height is a factor

  • higher orbits = greater distance from earth = slower orbits relative to earth's spin = weaker signal, square rooting as the distance doubles

  • number and location of subscribers on the ground is a big difference between iridium and starlink

  • number and location of ground stations plays a big role

  • polar orbits and retrograde orbits provide functionality at greater costs

  • network topology is a big factor - how does the sat net internally route traffic

  • iridium doesn't have a fleet of web-connected vehicles in every corner of the world

  • iridium also doesn't have plans to colonise mars

  • a single iridium satellite might have completely different functionality and payloads to a starlink. When iridium were going up in the 80s and 90s, launch weight was incredibly more expensive than for spacex. So the fact that spacex use magnitudes more satellites might be for economic reasons.

There's just sooooo much that you're not accounting for.

I am just pulling things out my ass. I don't have data. I didn't make investments.

If you have an argument to develop, then do the legwork, asshole. Don't drag me into fifty back-and-forths about the funny feelings you're getting. DYOR and let us know what you find

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

AST SpaceMobile plans hundreds of satellites, but only 20 are needed for the commercially interesting areas (a factor 200 smaller than Star Link for global coverage). Articles about Starlink vs AST SpaceMobile are widely available. AST SpaceMobile is also a LEO competitor.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Bruh this isn't data

It's just more of your feelings. Asshole

Go and get data. Show me how many satellites would be needed if a company aspired to serve say 20% of the global internet usage. Would it be 20?

Are AST's network of 20, providing an internal network, so data doesn't have to touch the ground when travelling from USA to Australia?

Do AST also plan to provide internet to millions and millions of data-hungry vehicles? A Tesla update can be gigabytes provided to millions of vehicles across the world.

How are the network switches on those 20? How many consumers can each one service? This will give you a maximum number of possible subscribers - how does that compare to spacex?

Get some data. Stick your funny feelings, where the sun doesn't shine.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They need 243 for global coverage. I don't give a shit about the path the data takes, because this is not relevant for civilian purposes. The only thing that matters is cost and whether latency is reasonable (which it will be).

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Read this if you want to get some minor amount of clue: https://starlinkinsider.com/ast-spacemobile-vs-starlink/.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If I want a minor clue? I'm not the dipshit who's harping on about this

What clue did you find on that page which informed your opinion?

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't use secondary sources for investments. As such, you claiming that it informed my opinion is -- again -- wrong.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay so you offered, as evidence for this hazy argument, a page which you wouldn't have looked at and "don't use". So what was the fucking point of that.

You're the asshole trying to develop your argument here, so go out and find real data or information to build your case upon.

So far it's still just "funny feelings"

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You were supposed to provide evidence to me, since I already argued in favor of the "Starlink was designed to be a military system from the start"- thesis.