Holocaust denial makes no sense.

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[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

The vast majority of the Jews killed weren't German.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

What is the argument here exactly? Do you realize that it is your western indoctrination that has made you believe that the war was all about jews? That the reality is jews were the smallest casualty group?

The vast majority of people killed were Russians. Russia was run by the bloshevic party. The bolshevic party was run by jews.

With their control of Russia jews killed 100x more innocent white people than germans killed jews.

The attempt to remove jews from power in germany and the attempt to expand germany are two separate agendas.

Once you realize that the Amarican concentration camps for the Japanese and the german concentration camps for everyone they thought would become "terrorists" during the war are the exact same thing then you can start to get a realistic picture of what really happened.

[–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

So 6 million is impossible but jews somehow killed 100 million people in a few years?This is why no one believes holocause deniers, you contradict yourselves by saying "It's impossible for 6 million jews to die in a few years, but jewish bolsheviks killed 100 million white while hiding all the bodies."

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

So 6 million is impossible but jews somehow killed 100 million people in a few years?

It sounds like you don't understand why 6 million is impossible. It is not because 6 million is a large number. It is because there is zero evidence, no bodies, and the facilities that existed could not perform that feat. There is a mountain of evidence that disproves that claim.

The bolshevics controlled russia for far longer than the war and genocided the russian people with famine, communist class warfare, and sending russians into the battlefield without ammo or guns to be slaughtered.

[–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Do you dispute that gas chambers were discovered at Dachau, Sachsenhausen, and Majdanek? Do you dispute the existence of Nazi Germany's forced euthanasia operation, or it's expressed intention to exterminate various groups of people, including the Jews? Do you have any reason to dispute the validity of Adolf Hitler's letters to Karl Brandt, authorizing Aktion T4, which bear his handwriting?

There is no shortage of hard evidence for what the Nazis did, and where they could, they would proudly admit to it, sometimes as early as the 1930s.Also you say there's no evidence of bodies but where are the bodies of all those people that died in Russia?Where is the documented evidence of what the bolsheviks did?Eye witnesses?Documents?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you dispute that gas chambers were discovered

Short answer is yes. The showers that are claimed to be gas chambers could not have been.

Did you know that the supposed gas chambers were not "discovered" during the liberation of the camps?

Did you know that the only evidence for those gas chambers came from testimony by jews? That dispite meticulous documentation of everything by the germans there is not one shred of evidence for them in any document?

Did you know that half of the concentration camps were controlled by allies after the war and the other half by Russia? Yes, the bolshevic controlled russia, then know as the USSR. And that after those claims by the jews, and they did claim all the concentratiom camps had gas chambers, the allied controlled camps were searched and no gas chambers were found? Did you know that the allied inspectors were not allowed into the jewish controlled camps to look for gas chambers? Did you know that when the jews finally allowed inspection of those camps there were many alterations made, including building chimneys on the supposed gas chambers?

I bet you didn't know any of that.

I bet that the fact that there is so much you don't know doesn't even bother you. That's what is really sad. You will deny so hard that jewish brainwashing can be real but you are the living proof that it works.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I bet you didn't know any of that.

80% bullshit and 20% irrelevancies.

[–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your entire comment is complete bullshit and you know it.Gas chambers were discovered by the allies.Examples of such camps would be Auschwitz-Birkenau (which was part-concentration, part-exterminaton camp), Treblinka, Belzec, Kulmhof, Sobibor (which were pure extermination camps). https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/rebutting-twitter-denial-most-popular.html#sovietsandcamps As for your claim that them being jews=they lied(which is complete ignorance because by that logic since you support hitler and the nazis then you can't be trusted with your holocaust denial because its clear you want nazism to be revived.) It is proven by the cumulative evidence of a) the documents (mostly German wartime documents), b) testimonies by people belonging to numerous ethnic groups (incl. Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians), who were perpetrators, bystanders, and victims; https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/10/contemporary-german-documents-on.html Also your last part is the pot calling the kettle black since you continue to believe this is somehow all lies.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no shortage of hard evidence

There is though. Evidence that should exist does not.

The problem is you are now throwing everything hitler ever did or said into a blender and mixing it up, then claiming evidence for one thing is evidence for everything.

Hitler killing the mentally retarded is not proof of the holocaust. Next you will claim you didn't say that, but you did. You put that up in a discussion about the exgermination of jews in camps as an argument that "so much hard evidence exists for it".

This argument is plainely illogical.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Also you say there's no evidence of bodies but where are the bodies of all those people that died in Russia?Where is the documented evidence of what the bolsheviks did?Eye witnesses?Documents?

There is evidence for what the bolshevics did, but this is not a discussion about that. Your claim that it does not exist is nothing more than a retarded attempt to dismiss the fact that there is no real evidence for the holocaust. We both know you did zero research on the bolshevics, didn't even know that they were a political party until I told you, and pulled out the claim that there is no evidence of thier crimes completely out of your ass.

[–]jacques1102[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where's the evidence of the holodomor hoax?Since you think the same historians that believe the holocaust aren't lying about that are somehow in a conspiracy to lie about the holocaust, why should i trust that genocide over the other?I never said they weren't a political party.Where did you get that?I have done research and know why they rose to power.Tsar nicholas ii was an incompetent ruler that caused Increasing governmental corruption, and catastrophic Russian losses in World War I contributed to widespread dissatisfaction and economic hardship in Russia.Unlike you who believes"And one day, for no reason at all, the russian people wanted to get rid of tsar nicholas."

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is a mountain of evidence that disproves that claim.

No there isn't.

This is typical "black is white, water is dry, fire is cold, Epstein killed himself, women can have dicks" insanity.

The Nazi Holocaust, despite the best efforts to destroy the evidence, is perhaps the best documented crime in history. There were trials, with thousands of documents, Nazi records, photos, eye-witnesses and confessions. Tens of thousands of bodies. Hundreds of acres of land filled with ash containing human bones, were it has permanently changed the soil structure. To this very day there are places where you can walk in a field and find fragments of charred human bones everywhere you look.

There is more evidence for the Holocaust than for the existence of Julius Caesar.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

sending russians into the battlefield without ammo or guns

Yes, I too have watched "Enemy At The Gate". A great movie, but not exactly historically accurate.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lol, you think that came from a movie?! It is well documented that russians were sent out there with a clip of ammo and no gun and told to pick up a gun from a dead body.

It is well documented that anyone who refused to go was shot as a deserter.

They were feeding them into the german machine guns on purpose.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is well documented that russians were sent out there with a clip of ammo and no gun

Yeah, well documented in fiction. Not in real life.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're jewish, aren't you?

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"OMG! OMG! THE JOOS ARE A COMIN' FOR US!? 😲 RUN FER THE HILLS BOYS!!"

These JOOS you're so scared of, are they in the room with you now?

I'm less Jewish than der Führer.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The attempt to remove jews from power in germany

What Jews in power in Germany? I only know of two Jews in the Weimar government, and one of them was assassinated.

jews were the smallest casualty group

Not even close.

If we only include the deliberate extermination of people, whether by shooting or gassing, by working them to death, or merely malign neglect, disease and starvation (so excluding other war time deaths of civilians as just "collateral damage"), Jews make up the largest group: about six million. Plus another million Jews murdered by the Croatian and Romanian fascists, independently of the Nazis.

That's followed closely by about 5.7 or so million Soviet (mostly Russian) non-Jewish civilians, another 3 million Soviet POWs, then 2-3 million non-Jewish Poles, and then the numbers start to fall rapidly.

If you include all civilian deaths, its probably the Soviet Union that suffered the worst, with around 20 million civilian deaths.

Proportionally, it was probably the Roma and Sinti (Gypsies) who suffered the worst, but there weren't that many of them to begin with so in absolute numbers they are quite low down the list.

the Amarican concentration camps for the Japanese and the german concentration camps for everyone they thought would become "terrorists" during the war are the exact same thing

Jesus Christ.

I'm not going to defend the American internment camps, but calling them "the exact same thing" as the German concentration camps, let alone the extermination camps, is just obscene.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What Jews in power in Germany?

I'm not the expert on those specifics but as I understand it he made regular claims about jewish banks and influence in commerce being used to destroy germany. He blamed them for the hyperinflation and many other things. Interestingly there was the same kind of social degeneracy happening there with regards to transexuals and homosexuality as we see today in the US, except it was 100 years ago when the world was far more conservative and Germany was leading the "revolution". A lot of the book burnings were LGBT propaganda written by jewish authors.

While it is important to understand that these reasons existed, it is not important for the topic of holocaust denial whether or not they were valid. It is only important to understand that hitler, and many of his followers, believed they were valid and wanted to save germany from that evil.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jews make up the largest group: about six million

A bullshit number. The world almanac tracks population sizes and disproves that claim. Jewish casualties were most likely around 300k according to studies done by "holocaust denying" academics.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

but calling them "the exact same thing" as the German concentration camps, let alone the extermination camps, is just obscene.

Only if you are fool enough to believe the narrative you have been brainwashed with.

If your emotional response is so great that you can't function there is really no hope in you ever seeing reality for what it is.

If there is still an ounce of independent thought left then start asking questions. Poke at the official narrative. Don't just do everything you can think of to disprove, dismiss, and ignore what you already believe to be wrong. You made this post so you can feel like you are more than a sheep, so be more than a sheep. Question the official narrative with the same passion you question the conspiracy theory.

Why would the germans build camps just to kill people?

Why did the russians modify the camps?

Why did the camps have pools?

Why did the germans allow children to be born in the camps?

Ask the real questions.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why would the germans build camps just to kill people?

Because they wanted to kill people duh.

In western Europe, they still wanted plausible deniability and secrecy, and it wouldn't be very deniable or secret if they just went from house to house shooting people on the spot in front of witnesses.

They could get away with mobile killing squads in the Soviet Union, where they didn't care if people found out what was going on. But that was hard on the squads, most people are not psychologically able to murder dozens of unarmed women and children in cold blood day after day, week after week. Even the battle-hardened SS officers complained about having to kill women and children, and sometimes refused orders to do so. Himmler was very concerned about the psychological effect it was having on his men.

And it is very inefficient. The camps were far more efficient. The extermination camps were capable of killing thousands of people a day, as fast as they arrived, using only a relatively small number of guards, and disposing of the corpses. Mobile killing squads could not come even close to that efficiency.

Why did the russians modify the camps?

Which camps? Modify in what way?

Why did the camps have pools?

Do you think that perhaps the swimming pools were for the use of the guards and officers running the camps?

The Germans built literally thousands of concentration camps. At least one camp was a show camp, deliberately set up to fool the Red Cross and dispel rumours of ill-treatment. Some were detention camps for favoured prisoners and detainees who would be deported to countries Germany didn't want to offend, or swapped for Germany prisoners. Many were work camps, and some camp commanders decided on a "carrot and stick" approach to get more work from the prisoners before they died. Some were run by the Gestapo, for interrogating prisoners.

Camps in eastern Europe were generally harsher than those in western Europe and Germany. Camps with only Jews and Slavs were usually harsher than those with prisoners of mixed origin. Some camp commanders allowed their prisoners little luxuries to encourage them to comply with the rules.

Only a handful were outright extermination camps where majority of prisoners were killed immediately on arrival.

Which camps do you think had swimming pools? Can you name them?

Why did the germans allow children to be born in the camps?

The Nazis were in power for 12 years, from 1933 to 1945. In that time millions of women went through the camps. Especially early on, the Nazis were still aiming to deport Jews and they had no reason to prevent pregnant prisoners from giving birth. The last thing the Nazis wanted was the Red Cross reporting that they were not giving medical attention to pregnant women, or for deported Jews to report that the Nazis were allowing pregnant women and babies to die.

Things were very different in the extermination camps in the east, where such things could be hidden.

There are records of about 2000 births in the camps, that's fewer than 200 a year on average, a drop in the ocean.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

whomp whomp the extermination narrative continues to crumble...

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is it Opposite Tuesday already? Okay then.

You are Very Smart and You Have Convinced Me With Your Logic.