Holocaust denial makes no sense.

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[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The attempt to remove jews from power in germany

What Jews in power in Germany? I only know of two Jews in the Weimar government, and one of them was assassinated.

jews were the smallest casualty group

Not even close.

If we only include the deliberate extermination of people, whether by shooting or gassing, by working them to death, or merely malign neglect, disease and starvation (so excluding other war time deaths of civilians as just "collateral damage"), Jews make up the largest group: about six million. Plus another million Jews murdered by the Croatian and Romanian fascists, independently of the Nazis.

That's followed closely by about 5.7 or so million Soviet (mostly Russian) non-Jewish civilians, another 3 million Soviet POWs, then 2-3 million non-Jewish Poles, and then the numbers start to fall rapidly.

If you include all civilian deaths, its probably the Soviet Union that suffered the worst, with around 20 million civilian deaths.

Proportionally, it was probably the Roma and Sinti (Gypsies) who suffered the worst, but there weren't that many of them to begin with so in absolute numbers they are quite low down the list.

the Amarican concentration camps for the Japanese and the german concentration camps for everyone they thought would become "terrorists" during the war are the exact same thing

Jesus Christ.

I'm not going to defend the American internment camps, but calling them "the exact same thing" as the German concentration camps, let alone the extermination camps, is just obscene.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What Jews in power in Germany?

I'm not the expert on those specifics but as I understand it he made regular claims about jewish banks and influence in commerce being used to destroy germany. He blamed them for the hyperinflation and many other things. Interestingly there was the same kind of social degeneracy happening there with regards to transexuals and homosexuality as we see today in the US, except it was 100 years ago when the world was far more conservative and Germany was leading the "revolution". A lot of the book burnings were LGBT propaganda written by jewish authors.

While it is important to understand that these reasons existed, it is not important for the topic of holocaust denial whether or not they were valid. It is only important to understand that hitler, and many of his followers, believed they were valid and wanted to save germany from that evil.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jews make up the largest group: about six million

A bullshit number. The world almanac tracks population sizes and disproves that claim. Jewish casualties were most likely around 300k according to studies done by "holocaust denying" academics.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

but calling them "the exact same thing" as the German concentration camps, let alone the extermination camps, is just obscene.

Only if you are fool enough to believe the narrative you have been brainwashed with.

If your emotional response is so great that you can't function there is really no hope in you ever seeing reality for what it is.

If there is still an ounce of independent thought left then start asking questions. Poke at the official narrative. Don't just do everything you can think of to disprove, dismiss, and ignore what you already believe to be wrong. You made this post so you can feel like you are more than a sheep, so be more than a sheep. Question the official narrative with the same passion you question the conspiracy theory.

Why would the germans build camps just to kill people?

Why did the russians modify the camps?

Why did the camps have pools?

Why did the germans allow children to be born in the camps?

Ask the real questions.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why would the germans build camps just to kill people?

Because they wanted to kill people duh.

In western Europe, they still wanted plausible deniability and secrecy, and it wouldn't be very deniable or secret if they just went from house to house shooting people on the spot in front of witnesses.

They could get away with mobile killing squads in the Soviet Union, where they didn't care if people found out what was going on. But that was hard on the squads, most people are not psychologically able to murder dozens of unarmed women and children in cold blood day after day, week after week. Even the battle-hardened SS officers complained about having to kill women and children, and sometimes refused orders to do so. Himmler was very concerned about the psychological effect it was having on his men.

And it is very inefficient. The camps were far more efficient. The extermination camps were capable of killing thousands of people a day, as fast as they arrived, using only a relatively small number of guards, and disposing of the corpses. Mobile killing squads could not come even close to that efficiency.

Why did the russians modify the camps?

Which camps? Modify in what way?

Why did the camps have pools?

Do you think that perhaps the swimming pools were for the use of the guards and officers running the camps?

The Germans built literally thousands of concentration camps. At least one camp was a show camp, deliberately set up to fool the Red Cross and dispel rumours of ill-treatment. Some were detention camps for favoured prisoners and detainees who would be deported to countries Germany didn't want to offend, or swapped for Germany prisoners. Many were work camps, and some camp commanders decided on a "carrot and stick" approach to get more work from the prisoners before they died. Some were run by the Gestapo, for interrogating prisoners.

Camps in eastern Europe were generally harsher than those in western Europe and Germany. Camps with only Jews and Slavs were usually harsher than those with prisoners of mixed origin. Some camp commanders allowed their prisoners little luxuries to encourage them to comply with the rules.

Only a handful were outright extermination camps where majority of prisoners were killed immediately on arrival.

Which camps do you think had swimming pools? Can you name them?

Why did the germans allow children to be born in the camps?

The Nazis were in power for 12 years, from 1933 to 1945. In that time millions of women went through the camps. Especially early on, the Nazis were still aiming to deport Jews and they had no reason to prevent pregnant prisoners from giving birth. The last thing the Nazis wanted was the Red Cross reporting that they were not giving medical attention to pregnant women, or for deported Jews to report that the Nazis were allowing pregnant women and babies to die.

Things were very different in the extermination camps in the east, where such things could be hidden.

There are records of about 2000 births in the camps, that's fewer than 200 a year on average, a drop in the ocean.

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whomp whomp the extermination narrative continues to crumble...

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is it Opposite Tuesday already? Okay then.

You are Very Smart and You Have Convinced Me With Your Logic.