Ron DeSantis wants to ban free speech

submitted by Vulptex from self.conspiracy

Now the libs are finally getting a taste of their own medicine. Of course they're allowed to freak and scream "1984!", but conservatives get branded as delusional when they do the exact same thing.

But seriously this is terrifying. We're doomed. I can't believe I'm saying this but it looks like Donald Trump is our only hope.

This was planned years ago and they sparked the 2020 riots on purpose to get conservatives on board with identity politics and these "fighting back" laws.

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[–]SeethingPeasant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This is dumb. Yo are just talking out your ass.

[–]Vulptex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Look up the "Stop WOKE" Act. And it's not about defending freedom against the WOKE. He trying to be a censor because he's pissed at them.

This is just like that movie The Godfather, where the honest guy enters a life of evil and corruption in attempt to save what he loves...and destroys it in the process.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He all by himself with no input from the legislature, passed the bill into law. An amazing feat.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And a terrifying one.

[–]SeethingPeasant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, I looked it up, Florida HB7. I'm only a couple pages in but so far it's an anti discrimination bill. If I have learned anything, it's to read the bills. All the "don't say gay" crap, the bill stopped teachers from talking to students about sex, sexuality, and teachers sexual preferences on grades pre-k to 3. I read the bill. For anyone who wants to read it: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/7/?Tab=BillText

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Provides that subjecting individuals to specified concepts under certain circumstances constitutes discrimination based on race, color, sex, or national origin; revising requirements for required instruction on the history of African Americans; requiring the department to prepare and offer certain standards and curriculum; authorizing the department to seek input from a specified organization for certain purposes; prohibits instructional materials reviewers from recommending instructional materials that contain any matter that contradicts certain principles; requires DOE to review school district professional development systems for compliance with certain provisions of law.

It may make SJWs seethe, but it's not a conservative bill by any means.

[–]russkayacabbage 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Please, dont add anything useful to your thought-vomit

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

What did DeSantis say that you are referring to here?

[–]Vulptex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Most recently, he wants to ban "woke" speech. He already tried to ban it on college campuses. No, not taking it out of the cirriculum in state schools, actually banning it. He has either lost his mind or is controlled opposition, planting radical far-left policies into the conservative platform and playing into the narrative that conservatives are a bunch of bigoted, racist, *phobic fascists. He brags about being the "culture war champion", which should be a huge red flag. If it comes down to him and Biden Harris I'm not voting for either of them.

Isn't he just being a different kind of woke himself by doing this? Isn't he becoming the very thing we swore to defend against?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I heard he had some kind of Anti-Woke bill, but didn't know much about the specifics. I'd be pretty concerned with the outright banning of any speech on college campuses. Even the curriculum laws are inappropriate for a university, they are adults, not kindergarten students.

I will say this though, there is a problem with wokism on college campuses. When I was getting my degree we would get essay topics about some of these issues, and you would fail if you expressed an unwoke opinion or argued an unwoke point, no matter how good your essay was.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I will say this though, there is a problem with wokism on college campuses ... you would fail if you expressed an unwoke opinion or argued an unwoke point, no matter how good your essay was.

Translation: I got a bad grade for saying something offensive, even though I thought I wrote it well.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

I'll give you an example.

They loved to talk about women in engineering. They'd show us stats like only 20% of Engineers are women, and only 19% of Engineering grads are women, and use both of these stats to support the idea that women are being discriminated against by tech companies.

I wrote that they were clearly misinterpreting the data. If only 19% of the Engineering graduate hiring pool is women, but 20% of the Engineers are women, their data does not support the conclusion that women are the subject of discriminatory hiring practices in Tech. You can never have 50% women hires if only 19% of the candidates are women. In fact diversity reporting gives clear incentive to hire a woman over a similarly qualified man, which is why at the most desirable tech jobs like Google, the talent is more than 25% women, and they are over-represented.

The problem here is obviously happening much earlier than hiring, and much earlier than college, you have to address this before students choose majors.

I'm clearly correct but I got an F. Imagine getting an F for using data science to interpret the data in the department that does data science. They would rather have me be woke and literally subvert the principles of data science they are supposed to be teaching.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You're clearly correct, maybe because you are misrepresenting the position a little bit. Regardless;

The problem here is obviously happening much earlier than hiring, and much earlier than college, you have to address this before students choose majors.

Is the correct answer. Incentives toward women for scholarships and other resume-builders are more meaningfully impactful than workplace diversity requirements, in my opinion.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You're clearly correct, maybe because you are misrepresenting the position a little bit. Regardless;

Yes, I was annoyed that they wanted me to parrot their nonsense when their own data didn't support that conclusion. So I took the opposite position, but I don't think I was out of line. I wasn't saying 'fuck bitches', I was saying 'earlier intervention'. My position was better supported than theirs, and I was clearly punished for lack of a woke opinion

[–]Vulptex[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They won't admit that because the real agenda is just to give women and other "minorities" preferential treatment.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It gets worse than this. If you're white or a man, all their algorithms will be designed to discriminate against you.
When an algorithm fails to discriminate against you sufficiently, then they write articles about how "AI is racist against nonwhites" or "sexist against women" and the rightwingers laughs, "see AI is being neutral", not realizing that the AI is not being neutral, just not hostile enough towards men or whites.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I could turn in a poorly written essay regurgitating the woke opinions and get an easy A, any time I attempted a critical analyses of such an opinion it was unacceptable. The incentives were pretty clear

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holy moley

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First of all, it's not a class on not being offensive, so the paper being well-written should be all that counts.

Second, have you seen some colleges? Literally everything is "offensive" at woke colleges. It's where the most hyperwoke, radical SJWs hold the woke olympics. It's a breeding ground for the most insane "progressivism" and cancel culture imaginable. Even 99% of libtards couldn't survive a second there without getting run off and declared a literal Nazi because of a perceived "microagression".

[–]TaseAFeminist4Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

K

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Good

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

No, very very very very very very very very bad

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Freedom of speech does not mean you can say anything and everything

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Now where have I heard that excuse before...

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Yes, I learned from them

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

What?! They're terrible role models! They're the last people you should learn from! And we used to know this! What's wrong with everyone?!

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Jews teach you NOT to do like they do, because what they do works. You still have a long way to break out of your indoctrination

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

But what you think they do isn't right. And since you yourself do the same thing, do you have any right to condemn them?

AHS isn't even Jewish, it's a bunch of far-left SJW whackjobs. They're the people who ruined reddit and want to ruin everything and control everyone. They're the perfect example of what not to do.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

AHS isn't even Jewish

LOL if you actually think this :D

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

What reason do you have to believe it is?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'm at odds here. I'm no fan of newspeak or doublespeak, nor am I pleased that history is rebranded. So should I be upset when these things might be prohibited? Slippery slope, perhaps. A mild relief from woke bullshit, more likely.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

If you're going to start doing this, you no longer have any defense when it's done to you. Let's not be hypocrites, but show that we are a trustworthy platform. Otherwise you're not only being corrupt and hypocritical to the core, but also playing into the left's narrative that conservatives are a bunch of fascists.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with censorship. But I'm not going to deny being somewhat satisfied in seeing the same happen to the left as what happens to everyone else. I also think that much of the more extreme woke teaching in schools is harmful, and there are some of those woke things should be removed from the classroom, and the workplace too.

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

But I'm not going to deny being somewhat satisfied in seeing the same happen to the left as what happens to everyone else.

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. The human need for revenge is so powerful, you tend to prioritize it above all else, even the very thing you're avenging. It's just an inclination toward evil, like everything else.

I also think that much of the more extreme woke teaching in schools is harmful, and there are some of those woke things should be removed from the classroom, and the workplace too.

You have no more right to do this than Democrats forcing a baker to serve a gay couple. Banning sex-ed from public elementary schools makes perfect sense. But how did we take such a massive leap from that to this? The real reason is obvious: they want to completely criminalize these things just so they get to see liberals seethe, without regard to all the innocent people they're going to persecute to make it happen. I know how it is longing to see "justice served". But are sadistic desires of revenge which accomplish nothing really worth that much, that you abandon everything you once believed in and defended and become tyrants who behave exactly like your own opponent?

Even if it's more about "fighting back" than sadistic revenge, look at Michael Corleone. He entered a life of evil with the good intention of saving his family from criminals. In the end it corrupted him, and he became one of those criminals, and destroyed his family instead. Think of Anakin Skywalker, who turned to the dark side with good intentions. He thought he could save Padme, but ended up being the cause of her death, then became Darth Vader. This is what happens when you just declare "the ends justify the means" and abandon all morality to save something, you become ruthlessly evil and end up destroying what you were trying to save anyway.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. The human need for revenge is so powerful, you tend to prioritize it above all else, even the very thing you're avenging. It's just an inclination toward evil, like everything else.

I was just sharing an honest feeling about it, not expressing approval as such. There's no point denying how we feel about something.

You have no more right to do this than Democrats forcing a baker to serve a gay couple. Banning sex-ed from public elementary schools makes perfect sense.

It's about a moral and ethical duty to protect those who are vulnerable. Sex education has been a standard protocol in the west for decades and has been fairly harmless information of a biological nature, nothing more. What has been occurring more recently is potentially grooming and indoctrination, which the government has every right to prohibit as it is deemed inappropriate for those age groups.

Think of Anakin Skywalker, who turned to the dark side with good intentions. He thought he could save Padme, but ended up being the cause of her death, then became Darth Vader.

I love a good Star Wars analogy as much as the next guy, but come now. There have been far-left woke antics that have led to great immorality that should be prevented. Professors have been fired to trying to teach degenerates English because correcting their spelling was deemed racist. Where was their moral protection?

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

These are adults this time, not 7-year-olds. Are we going to have the nanny state use the excuse that people aren't elite enough to make their own choices? Even with children it's a parent's responsibility, not the government's.

Professors have been fired to trying to teach degenerates English because correcting their spelling was deemed racist. Where was their moral protection?

That's the school's problem, unless it's a state school.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And what about the workplace? Critical race theory and identity politics? Are there any legal protections for workers from being discriminated against from this libtard ideology?

[–]Vulptex[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There can't be, for the same reason you can't ban discrimination against minorities. It's private, not the government's job.