The Agent Smith Effect

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[–]Insider 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

The thermetic explosives were installed by the government though. Elevators were under construction for months prior to 9/11.

[–]HibikiBlackCaudillo 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

In the original Matrix movie, I think Neo's passport would be useless on 9/11.

[–]Vulptex[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's the expiration date. Freedom expires on 9/11.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

The thermetic explosives were installed by the government though.

Okay ... Hold my beer, I'm going in.

1) What is a thermetic explosive?
2) Where were they installed?
3) Which government installed them?

[–]Insider 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

1) Not sure why you're so caught up on terminology. Thermitic material, happy?

2) Also, here's a patent from 1965:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3297503A/en

Cyclotol and thermite explosive composition

3) Academic article on thermitic material found in 9/11 dust:

https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf

4) Some dude cuts steel using thermate in his backyard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQu18DHuutU

At first he isn't able to do it, but is then able to cut steel based on some structural rearrangements. Note that this isn't even nano-thermite or a thermite composite, which would be able to cut steel even easier. He also raises several good points on the logical gaps in the official story.

5) Official story claims jet fuel leaked down the elevator shafts. Replace that with thermitic material considering the elevators were "in repair" prior to 9/11.

6) Note that most of the elevators in the WTC's were staggered so that jet fuel couldn't leak to the bottom on all 4 sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#/media/File:World_Trade_Center_Building_Design_with_Floor_and_Elevator_Arrangement_m.svg

7) Also, there was no jet fuel fire in WTC7.

8) 6/10 members of the 9/11 Commission assigned by the Congressional legislation said they were obstructed from investigation by the government in some form.

9) Bob Kerrey of the 9/11 Commission stated that 9/11 was a 30 year conspiracy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OvCSVb7Uyk

http://youtu.be/gtJWBcWAeAw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kerrey

10) Bush actively resisted investigation of 9/11 and asked Daschle to limit the investigation

11) WTC 7 building water and sprinkler systems were shut off / put in “Test” mode early the morning of 9/11

12) CIA blocked communications that would have informed the FBI of the impending terrorist attacks

The CIA blocked information regarding a possible attack in both 2000 and 2001 from reaching the FBI. “It is patently evident the attacks did not need to happen and there has been no justice,” Mark Rossini, one of two FBI agents assigned to the CIA’s Osama bin Laden unit, told Newsweek.

13) https://web.archive.org/web/20120330113616/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ri1i6nAGOE

The White House, having initially blocked National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice from testifying before the 9/11 Commission, finally reversed itself in April 2004. Watch as she nervously stalls for time in this time constrained inquest.

14) Fact check all of Corbett's work. Don't debunk one or two points that he might have gotten wrong. Identify all the key points, look for the primary sources and debunk all of it:

https://www.corbettreport.com/911whistleblowers/

https://www.corbettreport.com/filmfestival-aq3/

https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-407-false-flags-the-secret-history-of-al-qaeda-part-1-video/

https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-409-false-flags-the-secret-history-of-al-qaeda-part-2-9-11/

https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1661-james-corbett-talks-9-11-and-biosecurity-on-the-global-research-news-hour/

https://www.corbettreport.com/9-11-truth-lessons-learned-video/

https://www.corbettreport.com/9-11-whistleblowers-barry-jennings/

15) Watch these 192 videos and filter out some of the nonsense. Debunk the stronger points and pieces of evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnO1WA8xbIP6UvHA4rINtv3bbuqZetIR7

16) Eyewitness William Rodriguez (Testified a BOMB went off in the North tower PRIOR to any plane impact: https://youtu.be/hQq96Oh2hEI (His testimony was made secret, kept out of the official report and he was TOLD TO KEEP SILENT)

17) Barry Jennings Eyewitness (mysteriously Died just before NIST report) gave testimony that BOMBS were going off in World Trade Center 7 “BEFORE” either of the twin towers came down! https://youtu.be/OmeY2vJ6ZoA

18) Eyewitness John Mongello (killed shortly after 9/11) testified that a BOMB went off in the south tower that was timed with the North Tower being struck, a full 16 minutes BEFORE any plane hit the south tower.

19) Mongello and others were literally blown backwards by the blast, as people—many, horribly burned—began to run willy-nilly shrieking in pain, shock, and sheer terror. Thick, black smoke could be seen billowing out of the now exposed elevator shaft, and the pungent smell of “gunpowder” was very evident. https://www.google.com/amp/s/coto2.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/last-man-out-on-911-makes-shocking-disclosures/amp/

20) 118 first hand eyewitnesses testify to the 9/11 commission of hundreds of explosions and claps of thunder in the World Trade Center buildings (Despite the eyewitness testimonies NIST and the 9/11 report lied saying no one mentioned any eyewitness explosions, they also gave the word “explosion” a new politically correct name in their reports “Dust Puffs” and “Puffs of Air” http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Article_5_118Witnesses_WorldTradeCenter.pdf

21) Numerous eyewitnesses immediately begin committing suicide and dropping dead of cardiac arrest, investigators and others are threatened if they don’t keep quiet https://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/last-man-out-on-911-makes-shocking-disclosures/

22) According to the original engineers, even a 300 ton 747 would do “nothing” to the integrity of the buildings.

23) The planes that hit the World Trade center weighed roughly 135 tons, the twin towers had 100,000 tons of steel each designed to withstand a 13,000 ton impact.

24) FEMA estimated (4000) but even if we use 4,500 gallons of jet fuel available to burn upon impact of the World Trade Center, this equals a potential 590,000 MJ of energy, plus office furnishings of 490,000 MJ. Using this energy and the materials at the max temperature they could have possibly burned, the “steel temperatures” near the fires only inside the World Trade Center Towers could have reached a maximum potential temperature of 600F.

25) NIST paint testing found that less than 2% of the steel ever even made it to 480 degrees F which is likely a much more accurate number.

26) Steel loses half its strength at 1,100F which would still be more than enough strength to support the building, but at the NIST estimated 480F steel temperatures (not gas) the steel hardly loses any strength at all.

27) Testing conducted on the World Trade Center floor joists, even heated to 2000 degrees farenheit still did not collapse (4 times the estimated steel temperature).

28) NIST and SAIC who authored the 9/11 commission report have subsidiaries that help research and manufacturer nano-thermite http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_thermite_connection.html

29) Phillip Marshall , an experience pilot who exposed details of 9/11 in his book was killed along with his family, children and pet. https://www.amazon.com/Big-Bamboozle-11-War-Terror/dp/1468094580

30) Paul Bremer, friend of the Bushes and prior CEO of Marsh and Mclennan, who leased the exact floors of the impact and had “special fireproofing” put specially on those floors, mysteriously missed work that day and was on the news blaming Osama Bin Laden as 9/11 happened!

31) For 1 hour and 40 minutes the hijackers flew around in highly restricted airspace. Only 4 jets were left in US north east airspace that day, the rest had been moved to Canada.

32) June 1, 2001 Donald Rumsfeld at the pentagon changed fighter jet intercept procedures to mandate Dick Cheneys Pentagon approval before launching, conveniently on Sept11th 2001 the pentagon “refused to respond” allowing the hijackers to fly all around for 2 hours ensuring they completed their missions. The rules were reversed back on 9/12/2001.

33) Black Boxes / Flight Recorders: Both the independent 9/11 Commission and federal authorities claim a cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) from the two planes – were never found in the wreckage. But New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi has written in a recent book —that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate three of the four. http://911truth.org/911-black-box-cover-up-story-finally-told/

34) Fake Flight Recorder Data /Black Box https://youtu.be/mmGi5YeQ_Bw

35) Eyewitness Rudy Dent Fireman https://youtu.be/yiedW2xwud0

36) Eyewitness Patrick Diller https://youtu.be/ImxImEf58E0

37) Cutter charges in north tower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoAD8HlrLZg

38) A sequence of White flashes of thermite is clearly visible, especially in WTC 7 collapse along with audio here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cK2TTl6LAnk&feature=youtu.be

39) Anatomy of a Great Deception https://youtu.be/l0Q5eZhCPuc

40) The 9/11 Building Collapse | Richard Gage https://youtu.be/nu2QqxpYcvA

41) 9/11 Loose Change Final Cut-Full Documentary https://youtu.be/5BqXQQFvOWM

42) Reflections And Warnings - An Interview With Aaron Russo (Died Shortly After Releasing this) {Full Film} https://youtu.be/YGAaPjqdbgQ

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You know your stuff.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Outstanding pasta. Thank you.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

1) Not sure why you're so caught up on terminology.

I'm going in to a deep conspiracy theory. There's going to be an extended period of trying to work out what the fuck you might possibly mean.

Thermitic material, happy?

... yeah mate, Delighted.

Cyclotol and thermite explosive composition

Your bolding is misleading. The cyclotol is the explosive, the thermite adds afterburning: We have discovered that when certain thermites are incorporated in an explosive such as cyclotol, for example, which contains 60 parts of cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine, hereinafter referred to as RDX, and 40 parts of TNT, and about 1 part of a suitable binder, the resultant explosive is characterized by good positive afterburning and extended fireballing.

3) Academic article on thermitic material found in 9/11 dust:

https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf

That's the only paper that found thermite in the debris. It's plausible to question whether the samples weren't contaminated or mis-attributed to thermite.

4) Some dude cuts steel using thermate in his backyard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQu18DHuutU YouTube

Fun, but irrelevant. Unless there's someone else who found thermate in the 9/11 dust.

5) Official story claims jet fuel leaked down the elevator shafts. Replace that with thermitic material considering the elevators were "in repair" prior to 9/11.

Why replace it with thermitic material? Is there something implausible about jet fuel in a plane?

considering the elevators were "in repair" prior to 9/11.

What makes you think the elevators were "in repair" prior to 9/11?

6) Note that most of the elevators in the WTC's were staggered so that jet fuel couldn't leak to the bottom on all 4 sides.

Noted? Does someone claim that burning jet fuel was channelled to the bottom through the short local elevators?

7) Also, there was no jet fuel fire in WTC7.

That's right.

8) 6/10 members of the 9/11 Commission assigned by the Congressional legislation said they were obstructed from investigation by the government in some form.

Did they? Which members, and which Government?

9) Bob Kerrey of the 9/11 Commission stated that 9/11 was a 30 year conspiracy:

Did he? He didn't write that in the 9/11 commission report. Bit of an omission there don't you think?

10) Bush actively resisted investigation of 9/11 and asked Daschle to limit the investigation

How actively are we talking? He signed into law the act that created the comission.

11) WTC 7 building water and sprinkler systems were shut off / put in “Test” mode early the morning of 9/11

Were they? What's "test" mode for a water and sprinkler system?

12) CIA blocked communications that would have informed the FBI of the impending terrorist attacks

Not impossible. The CIA are highly imperfect. They might have wanted to be sure that the terrorists weren't suspicious or arrested before it became clear what his plans were. And underestimated the consequences of allowing them to board a plane carrying a box-cutter.

13) The White House, having initially blocked National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice from testifying before the 9/11 Commission, finally reversed itself in April 2004. Watch as she nervously stalls for time in this time constrained inquest.

Can't. Flash is not longer supported.

14) Fact check all of Corbett's work.

“But someone would have talked,” say the self-styled skeptics who believe the government’s official conspiracy theory of 9/11. But there’s a problem with this logically fallacious non-argument. “Someone” did talk. In fact, numerous people have come out to blow the whistle on the events of September 11, 2001, and the cover-up that surrounds those events. These are the stories of the 9/11 Whistleblowers.

No CIA whistleblowers. Just a bunch of people who were in the WTC at some point. And the guy who issued some of the terrorists visas. Showing that there were terrorists.

This is not what people mean when the say "But someone would have talked", they mean someone who was aware of the conspiracy would have talked.

15) Watch these 192 videos and filter out some of the nonsense. Debunk the stronger points and pieces of evidence:

Sure mate, I'll get right on to that.

While I'm still doing that, you mostly answered my first question, in that a thermitic explosive is an explosive with thermitic material included so that they're especially effective in jungle and guerilla warfare.

But the other two:

2) Where were they installed?
3) Which government installed them?

Seem to have got you sidetracked.

[–]Insider 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Once again, caught up in terminology. Who the fuck cares. Not to mention, how are we supposed to know if the thermite was mixed in with another composite or not?

https://profound-answers.com/what-causes-thermite-to-explode/

When the mixture is ignited, the two undergo an exothermic oxidation-reduction reaction – a type of chemical reaction that releases energy as electrons are transferred between two substances. As the mixture continues to react, the particles are thrown up into the air in a cloud of thermite, causing an explosion.

Even if it technically doesn't explode, ppl will use that term.

A lot of the sources are in Corbett report. It's up to you do fact check the primary sources. I only gave you a point form summary of SOME of the talking points. Take a year and learn the entire argument I can't force you to read or listen. The links are all there, can't blame me if you don't look at them.

I even gave you the link to 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey's interview and you're like.."did he"? That's not a counterargument, that's a typical cope out move by astroturfs like yourself.

None of what you said debunked the facts. You gave zero counter points or sources.

2) Elevator shafts, already mentioned. Replace jet fuel with thermite.

3) Bush administration/skull and bones. Pretty much implied.

The reason the 9/11 truthers aren't convinced is because government shills like yourself don't actually provide answers or counterarguments. Keep on giving fake meaningless rebuttals, it's not gonna help.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Once again, caught up in terminology. Who the fuck cares. Not to mention, how are we supposed to know if the thermite was mixed in with another composite or not?

Well if all you're going on is iron oxide and aluminium, then you don't need to propose any thermite. There was a lot of both of those in the building and plane.

2) Elevator shafts, already mentioned.

Inside the shaft? Like filled up instead of elevators?

Replace jet fuel with thermite.

Wouldn't that make it difficult for the plane to fly?

3) Bush administration/skull and bones. Pretty much implied.

The US federal government?

The reason the 9/11 truthers aren't convinced is because government shills like yourself don't actually provide answers or counterarguments.

What government am I shilling for?

[–]chickenz 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

thermite is some stuff that burns really hot.

video: thermite

https://youtu.be/rdCsbZf1_Ng

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Cool.

Now we know what thermite is, what's a thermetic explosive?

[–]chickenz 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

most likely it is an explosive that uses thermite?

damm i feel smart today.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

most likely it is an explosive that uses thermite?

Nah, thermite burns. It doesn't explode. Thermetic must be something different from Thermitic.

[–]chickenz 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

fuck off glowie... i cant blow up a balloon and i just want to go fishing.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If you had a stack of thermite, you still wouldn't be able to.

[–]chickenz 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I just swallowed a pound of thermite and now I am swallowing a flaming sword.

If I am not here tomorrow, you can have my chickenz user account and my pet parakeet.

Goodbye cruel world, ffs.

[–]chickenz 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think this is what they were talking about.. it's not that a thermite bomb explodes, but that it melts flesh.

https://youtu.be/VRJNFLqMzr4

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But not steel.